Imagine if the cop here were a social worker, what would the outcome be?

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[jessilin0113]

Why would a social worker be called to either of those situations (assuming the first was similar to the second, the video wouldn't play). If you dont understand the concept and ideas behind defunding the police, it's ok to ask.

[moviestar]

asking doesn’t help when you are misunderstanding on purpose

Why would a social worker be called to either of those situations (assuming the first was similar to the second, the video wouldn't play). If you dont understand the concept and ideas behind defunding the police, it's ok to ask.

[Deleted User 1577]

I’m not sure why both were stopped. The first looked like a dui stop. Apparently, the idea for that is instead of arresting the man for dui, the social worker would try to get the person to go into treatment, but instead more than likely would get tossed into the road where they will get run over. The second call looked like a routine traffic stop and from the looks of things the social worker or service aid would get the snot beat out of them. But. Supposedly, the social workers or therapists would be able to call for police backup. All I can say is good luck with that, because there won’t be any funding to keep enough officers on the force.

[Mommabearof2]

I work with counselors and not one of them wants to be out on the streets responding to any situation. The Director of our county mental health department stopped years ago working in an active counselor role after she went to home to check on a client and found her and her 6 yr old twins died by her boyfriend. She was scarred for years by it. Counselors are NOT trained to handle these situations.

[Pjmm]

asking doesn’t help when you are misunderstanding on purpose

Why would a social worker be called to either of those situations (assuming the first was similar to the second, the video wouldn't play). If you dont understand the concept and ideas behind defunding the police, it's ok to ask.

Exactly. The idea of the social worker is to help the guy and his family to prevent this very scenario. At least prevent some of them. Hopefully begin in his childhood. And why not? The prisons apparently have become the new hospitals for the mentally ill and the troubled. Something wrong with that. But we'll always have the police.

[Deleted User 172]

Social workers are people too. They set it up for their client/patient depends on them for help, then they up and leave.
Plus, there's something like 500k-1 million trained therapists in the country. We have something like 318 million people in the country. We just don't have the numbers to send out social workers or therapists to every single person.
Another thing, people are controlled by their ego. Its impossible to get the ego to change unless the ego sees a reason to change.

[DSamuels]

Why would a social worker be called to either of those situations (assuming the first was similar to the second, the video wouldn't play). If you dont understand the concept and ideas behind defunding the police, it's ok to ask.

Funny that you’re asking this considering you’re the one who posted social workers and counselors should be called.

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Well I would argue that a lot of crime is a more fundamental societal issue. Why send a guy with a gun to rout out a homeless encampment? Find people trained in rehousing. Why send a guy with a gun to an issue with drug addiction? Send a rehab counselor. Do they need a gun to answer a noise complaint? Someone called 911 on a mentally ill person, send a therapist. Fund schools and after school programs to stop problems before they start. Only 5% of police responses are to actual violent crimes. If we insist on throwing money at the police, at least train them in de-escalation and insist the training is followed prior to any use of force, among other things. And maybe ask yourself why you are calling the cops? Is it to enforce the law or restore order?

[jessilin0113]

Why would a social worker be called to either of those situations (assuming the first was similar to the second, the video wouldn't play). If you dont understand the concept and ideas behind defunding the police, it's ok to ask.

Funny that you’re asking this considering you’re the one who posted social workers and counselors should be called.

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Well I would argue that a lot of crime is a more fundamental societal issue. Why send a guy with a gun to rout out a homeless encampment? Find people trained in rehousing. Why send a guy with a gun to an issue with drug addiction? Send a rehab counselor. Do they need a gun to answer a noise complaint? Someone called 911 on a mentally ill person, send a therapist. Fund schools and after school programs to stop problems before they start. Only 5% of police responses are to actual violent crimes. If we insist on throwing money at the police, at least train them in de-escalation and insist the training is followed prior to any use of force, among other things. And maybe ask yourself why you are calling the cops? Is it to enforce the law or restore order?

Yeah other people can respond to non violent non criminal complaints. That's not inconsistent with what is in those videos, from what I was able to see. Crime in progress, like drunk driving, is not the same as having a cop respond to a 911 call about someone having a mental breakdown. So few calls to police are about actual crime. Those are the ones that could have different responders. The examples above, cops were appropriate.

[Deleted User 1577]

I work with counselors and not one of them wants to be out on the streets responding to any situation. The Director of our county mental health department stopped years ago working in an active counselor role after she went to home to check on a client and found her and her 6 yr old twins died by her boyfriend. She was scarred for years by it. Counselors are NOT trained to handle these situations.

The people I know who work in the field have all told me there isn’t enough they could be paid for them to go out into the field like this. It’s dangerous not knowing why you walking into without a guarantee there will be police backup.