Trump Orders Stop of N95 Masks to Canada

[WellPreserved]

I have no problem with America taking care of itself right now. Outsourcing so much manufacturing has done nothing good as this crisis has proved repeatedly. Globalism doesn't look like a great option at this point. Any American company that is selling essential supplies to other countries while Americans are sick and dying doesn't look great either. People here are paying attention.

One million masks were just purchased from China and organized by the New England Patriots. Russia has donated supplies to us.

Americans aren't making these masks that Trump is trying to deny other countries access. They are Chinese factories owned by an American company tht are making the masks. Chinese citizens are making them, not Americans. We need China right now more than ever.

Isn't that where the first batch of tests came from, all nice and pre-infected for us? Did you see any of that? I'm sure you'll tell me that never happened.

Have you seen any videos from inside where these masks are sewn overseas and the unsanitary conditions they're manufactured in? And we're supposed to put that over our mouth and breathe through them?

Psssstttt ... China doesn't care about us. If they did we would have been warned about this a long time ago.

I'm not really sure what you are talking about. First batch of tests in the US didn't come from China and I'm not sure the videos you are talking about production of face masks?

The US based company that has a branch in our town is making face masks in China. Here is video of their production:



Is that the video you are talking about?

[Della]

I have no problem with America taking care of itself right now. Outsourcing so much manufacturing has done nothing good as this crisis has proved repeatedly. Globalism doesn't look like a great option at this point. Any American company that is selling essential supplies to other countries while Americans are sick and dying doesn't look great either. People here are paying attention.

One million masks were just purchased from China and organized by the New England Patriots. Russia has donated supplies to us.

Americans aren't making these masks that Trump is trying to deny other countries access. They are Chinese factories owned by an American company tht are making the masks. Chinese citizens are making them, not Americans. We need China right now more than ever.

Isn't that where the first batch of tests came from, all nice and pre-infected for us? Did you see any of that? I'm sure you'll tell me that never happened.

Have you seen any videos from inside where these masks are sewn overseas and the unsanitary conditions they're manufactured in? And we're supposed to put that over our mouth and breathe through them?

Psssstttt ... China doesn't care about us. If they did we would have been warned about this a long time ago.

AGAIN, no our tests did not come from China. They were from our CDC.

What is it with Americans and thinking that places in China are third world unsanitary?

China, like America, cares about the $$$$$, or it's economy as it's called.

[mcginnisc]

Have you been to China?
It is pretty darn unsanitary in a lot of places. I've spent weeks in that country twice now. People were going to the bathroom on the street in full view while we were there...kids and adults alike. Since I've been all over the country- urban and rural areas alike, I can definitely say that I do not fully trust the sanitation there. Don't get me wrong.. China has a huge part of my heart since my oldest dd is adopted from there, but after having been there twice I know that like the US and every other country has issues. I do not fully trust things that come from China due to the sanitation I've seen while there.
I do not place the blame of this virus on China. I do think they should have been more forthcoming with information and stopped travel long before they acted. The main blame in the US lies in Trump's hands IMO. He downplayed it for too long and has basically been a bonehead for the last 2 months in regards to the virus. He needs to listen to the CDC, the WHO and Dr. Fauci instead of just running his mouth.

One million masks were just purchased from China and organized by the New England Patriots. Russia has donated supplies to us.

Americans aren't making these masks that Trump is trying to deny other countries access. They are Chinese factories owned by an American company tht are making the masks. Chinese citizens are making them, not Americans. We need China right now more than ever.

Isn't that where the first batch of tests came from, all nice and pre-infected for us? Did you see any of that? I'm sure you'll tell me that never happened.

Have you seen any videos from inside where these masks are sewn overseas and the unsanitary conditions they're manufactured in? And we're supposed to put that over our mouth and breathe through them?

Psssstttt ... China doesn't care about us. If they did we would have been warned about this a long time ago.

AGAIN, no our tests did not come from China. They were from our CDC.

What is it with Americans and thinking that places in China are third world unsanitary?

China, like America, cares about the $$$$$, or it's economy as it's called.

[Della]

Have you been to China?
It is pretty darn unsanitary in a lot of places. I've spent weeks in that country twice now. People were going to the bathroom on the street in full view while we were there...kids and adults alike. Since I've been all over the country- urban and rural areas alike, I can definitely say that I do not fully trust the sanitation there. Don't get me wrong.. China has a huge part of my heart since my oldest dd is adopted from there, but after having been there twice I know that like the US and every other country has issues. I do not fully trust things that come from China due to the sanitation I've seen while there.
I do not place the blame of this virus on China. I do think they should have been more forthcoming with information and stopped travel long before they acted. The main blame in the US lies in Trump's hands IMO. He downplayed it for too long and has basically been a bonehead for the last 2 months in regards to the virus. He needs to listen to the CDC, the WHO and Dr. Fauci instead of just running his mouth.

Isn't that where the first batch of tests came from, all nice and pre-infected for us? Did you see any of that? I'm sure you'll tell me that never happened.

Have you seen any videos from inside where these masks are sewn overseas and the unsanitary conditions they're manufactured in? And we're supposed to put that over our mouth and breathe through them?

Psssstttt ... China doesn't care about us. If they did we would have been warned about this a long time ago.

AGAIN, no our tests did not come from China. They were from our CDC.

What is it with Americans and thinking that places in China are third world unsanitary?

China, like America, cares about the $$$$$, or it's economy as it's called.

No, I haven't. My daddy did though, but that was a looooong time ago, even before I was born. I didn't say or mean all of China. I'm talking about it's cities and manufacturing plants. If they're so bad, well, I hope everyone throws their IPhone away and never shops at WalMart, Dollar General, Family Dollar, Target, Hobby Lobby, IKEA (omg, what would people do without that junk?) or any chain shoe stores, buy fireworks for celebrations, etc again. We've loved our cheap goods for so long, it may come as a sticker shock to many if we bring those manufacturers back to the states.

They still have honey pots/buckets? Japan had those too when my dad was there. I was kind of shocked at restrooms when I visited Japan. They had regular toilets, but they also had like a hole in the floor you squatted over.

I completely agree with your second paragraph.

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‘3M’ Disputes Masks Were Ordered

Berlin’s local CDU politicians are among the few who have been following a partisan politics strategy even during the Corona crisis. While CDU and SPD have been cooperating very well in the federal government since the crisis began, Berlin’s CDU has not missed any opportunity it saw to criticize the Senate.

On Saturday, ‘3M’ reportedly disputed things happened the way the Berlin Senate said they did. The company did not have documents that could have confirmed any order of masks from China for the Berlin police, ‘3M’ said in a statement. Nor was there evidence for any confiscation.

https://berlinspectator.com/2020/04/03/ ... or-police/

There was an another apparent issue for Germany and masks less than two weeks ago:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21B1T0

If I am reading the article correctly, the masks had not been paid for when this occurred.

[Linda_Runs]

All these valid points considered, we should ALL be able to agree on the fact that, considering that the situation in the U.S. is much more dire than in Canada, Trump could have played his role better in advising Canada.

Canadians are generally an understanding and sympathetic people. All that Trump would have needed to say to avoid this issue is advise the Canadian Prime Minister or the Canadian people via the news even, that because things are so bad in the U.S. would Canada please understand if those 3M N95 masks remain in the hands of medical professionals in the U.S.

[moviestar]

First I thought my favorite part of all this was watching rich white guys cry over stock market drops, then it was working from home and not being expected to go anywhere, but as this situation evolves I realize the best thing about it is definitely watching republicans talk about how necessary socialism is while having no idea they are doing so

I saw it very early this morning on Facebook and thought it might be a hoax because of the site it was coming from. I didn't open it. Looking at this now - https://globalnews.ca/news/6772979/coro ... mp-canada/

There are two sides to this story.

From the U.S. side, I can see how Trump can be held to answer why he is allowing essential medical supplies to be sent to Canada, which is a much, much less infected country than the U.S. is when there is a shortage at home.

From the Canadian side, Canada supplies many surgical supplies to the U.S., including ventilators. Even though Canada is short on ventilators, with unwavering support, Canada continues to supply them to the U.S. Also, in the midst of medical personnel getting sick with COVID-19, Canada still is helping with up to 1,000 medical personnel to the U.S., when Canada is short itself.

The issue with the 3M supplied N95 masks is not about need because both nations have manufacturing industries shifting production to supply more. The issue is about cooperation.

I think it's more need based for now. Manufacturing companies are shifting to help make things, yes, but that's going to take TIME. Time many of those on the front lines don't have. The shortage is NOW, the shortage is REAL. If we hurt your feelings, sorry - not sorry. Our cases out number Canada's greatly. The need is here. When things ramp up and companies can keep up with the demand, things will change.

[jas]

First I thought my favorite part of all this was watching rich white guys cry over stock market drops, then it was working from home and not being expected to go anywhere, but as this situation evolves I realize the best thing about it is definitely watching republicans talk about how necessary socialism is while having no idea they are doing so

There are two sides to this story.

From the U.S. side, I can see how Trump can be held to answer why he is allowing essential medical supplies to be sent to Canada, which is a much, much less infected country than the U.S. is when there is a shortage at home.

From the Canadian side, Canada supplies many surgical supplies to the U.S., including ventilators. Even though Canada is short on ventilators, with unwavering support, Canada continues to supply them to the U.S. Also, in the midst of medical personnel getting sick with COVID-19, Canada still is helping with up to 1,000 medical personnel to the U.S., when Canada is short itself.

The issue with the 3M supplied N95 masks is not about need because both nations have manufacturing industries shifting production to supply more. The issue is about cooperation.

I think it's more need based for now. Manufacturing companies are shifting to help make things, yes, but that's going to take TIME. Time many of those on the front lines don't have. The shortage is NOW, the shortage is REAL. If we hurt your feelings, sorry - not sorry. Our cases out number Canada's greatly. The need is here. When things ramp up and companies can keep up with the demand, things will change.

If you don't see the difference between helping our own first during a crisis and socialism, there's no help.

[moviestar]

There is no difference. You just don’t really understand socialism. 3M is a private company. Trump has effectively seized their means of production, that is literally the definition of socialism. The fact that you approve of it because you feel the circumstances justify it doesn’t change what it is.

First I thought my favorite part of all this was watching rich white guys cry over stock market drops, then it was working from home and not being expected to go anywhere, but as this situation evolves I realize the best thing about it is definitely watching republicans talk about how necessary socialism is while having no idea they are doing so

I think it's more need based for now. Manufacturing companies are shifting to help make things, yes, but that's going to take TIME. Time many of those on the front lines don't have. The shortage is NOW, the shortage is REAL. If we hurt your feelings, sorry - not sorry. Our cases out number Canada's greatly. The need is here. When things ramp up and companies can keep up with the demand, things will change.

If you don't see the difference between helping our own first during a crisis and socialism, there's no help.

[Linda_Runs]

First I thought my favorite part of all this was watching rich white guys cry over stock market drops, then it was working from home and not being expected to go anywhere, but as this situation evolves I realize the best thing about it is definitely watching republicans talk about how necessary socialism is while having no idea they are doing so

I think it's more need based for now. Manufacturing companies are shifting to help make things, yes, but that's going to take TIME. Time many of those on the front lines don't have. The shortage is NOW, the shortage is REAL. If we hurt your feelings, sorry - not sorry. Our cases out number Canada's greatly. The need is here. When things ramp up and companies can keep up with the demand, things will change.

If you don't see the difference between helping our own first during a crisis and socialism, there's no help.

I do see the difference. If you had read my last comment I explained. I cut and pasted the important part explaining that it was how Trump went about it:

"Canadians are generally an understanding and sympathetic people. All that Trump would have needed to say to avoid this issue is advise the Canadian Prime Minister or the Canadian people via the news even, that because things are so bad in the U.S. would Canada please understand if those 3M N95 masks remain in the hands of medical professionals in the U.S."