72 Hours Before Rally: 'We Are Being Set Up' in VA

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4HotTacos wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:34 pm https://www.westernjournal.com/va-state ... HQQetWFhtE
“Sadly, I am posting this, knowing that the Governor of Virginia has declared a State of Emergency in our state,” Chase wrote. “I want you to be aware of how we are being set up.”
That’s my home state. I heard about this. Things are going to hell in a hand basket in VA.
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Lemons wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:37 pm
4HotTacos wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:08 pm
Lemons wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:16 pm

Why do the people who go to these gun rallies always seem to wear confederate flags on their clothes? I honestly don't know why they feel so connected to a flag that is not the American flag?

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Did a lil googling and found this. Hope it helps. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23705803
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That's not true, says Barry Isenhour, a member of the group, who says it's really about honouring the Confederate soldiers who gave their lives. For him, the war was not primarily about slavery but standing up to being over-taxed, and he says many southerners abhorred slavery.
They fought for the greedy slave owners who didn't want to give up their free labor. Most of them, like every war every fought, had no choice in fighting. They were forced to fight by people more powerful than them. For this reason alone they should burn that flag.
That's one of many lies taught to us in school. Slavery actually was not the focal point of the Civil War. It was more about economics and states rights than it was about slavery.
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Dumb fucks are planning to come charging to our state capitol with guns. The governor is trying to prevent what happened in Charlottesville or worse. That bitch Amanda F***ing Chase needs to sit the f**k down and stop fanning the flames. I live in this F***ing city and I am actually terrified for my husband to go to work tomorrow since his office is near downtown. As far as I'm concerned anyone coming with the guns to this town tomorrow is a F***ing terrorist and should be F***ing arrested.
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29again wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:10 am
Lemons wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:37 pm
4HotTacos wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:08 pm
Did a lil googling and found this. Hope it helps. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23705803
Not true:
That's not true, says Barry Isenhour, a member of the group, who says it's really about honouring the Confederate soldiers who gave their lives. For him, the war was not primarily about slavery but standing up to being over-taxed, and he says many southerners abhorred slavery.
They fought for the greedy slave owners who didn't want to give up their free labor. Most of them, like every war every fought, had no choice in fighting. They were forced to fight by people more powerful than them. For this reason alone they should burn that flag.
That's one of many lies taught to us in school. Slavery actually was not the focal point of the Civil War. It was more about economics and states rights than it was about slavery.
Bullshit. There are historical letters and historical documents of succession where the states come right out and say the reason they're succeeding from the Union is slavery. It's not good enough that the federal government was willing to allow the south to keep slaves. They objected to the banning of slavery everywhere else and including the new territories. It is well documented in archived documents. Oh and they also objected to slaves living free in non-slave states and the fact that the Federal government wouldn't allow them to go after runaway slaves in nonslave states.

Here are four documents of succession. I am sure I can find the rest of them for you. It's pretty clear in these four that slavery was the reason for the Civil War.
Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_centur ... carsec.asp
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp
Confederate States of America - Georgia Secession
The Constitution delegated no power to Congress to excluded either party from its free enjoyment; therefore our right was good under the Constitution. Our rights were further fortified by the practice of the Government from the beginning. Slavery was forbidden in the country northwest of the Ohio River by what is called the ordinance of 1787. That ordinance was adopted under the old confederation and by the assent of Virginia, who owned and ceded the country, and therefore this case must stand on its own special circumstances. The Government of the United States claimed territory by virtue of the treaty of 1783 with Great Britain, acquired territory by cession from Georgia and North Carolina, by treaty from France, and by treaty from Spain. These acquisitions largely exceeded the original limits of the Republic. In all of these acquisitions the policy of the Government was uniform. It opened them to the settlement of all the citizens of all the States of the Union. They emigrated thither with their property of every kind (including slaves). All were equally protected by public authority in their persons and property until the inhabitants became sufficiently numerous and otherwise capable of bearing the burdens and performing the duties of self-government, when they were admitted into the Union upon equal terms with the other States, with whatever republican constitution they might adopt for themselves.

Under this equally just and beneficent policy law and order, stability and progress, peace and prosperity marked every step of the progress of these new communities until they entered as great and prosperous commonwealths into the sisterhood of American States. In 1820 the North endeavored to overturn this wise and successful policy and demanded that the State of Missouri should not be admitted into the Union unless she first prohibited slavery within her limits by her constitution. After a bitter and protracted struggle the North was defeated in her special object, but her policy and position led to the adoption of a section in the law for the admission of Missouri, prohibiting slavery in all that portion of the territory acquired from France lying North of 36 [degrees] 30 [minutes] north latitude and outside of Missouri. The venerable Madison at the time of its adoption declared it unconstitutional. Mr. Jefferson condemned the restriction and foresaw its consequences and predicted that it would result in the dissolution of the Union. His prediction is now history. The North demanded the application of the principle of prohibition of slavery to all of the territory acquired from Mexico and all other parts of the public domain then and in all future time. It was the announcement of her purpose to appropriate to herself all the public domain then owned and thereafter to be acquired by the United States. The claim itself was less arrogant and insulting than the reason with which she supported it. That reason was her fixed purpose to limit, restrain, and finally abolish slavery in the States where it exists. The South with great unanimity declared her purpose to resist the principle of prohibition to the last extremity. This particular question, in connection with a series of questions affecting the same subject, was finally disposed of by the defeat of prohibitory legislation.

The Presidential election of 1852 resulted in the total overthrow of the advocates of restriction and their party friends. Immediately after this result the anti-slavery portion of the defeated party resolved to unite all the elements in the North opposed to slavery an to stake their future political fortunes upon their hostility to slavery everywhere. This is the party two whom the people of the North have committed the Government. They raised their standard in 1856 and were barely defeated. They entered the Presidential contest again in 1860 and succeeded.

The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees it its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers.

With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers.

The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_geosec.asp
DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.

They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a "higher law" than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.

They have invaded Southern soil and murdered unoffending citizens, and through the press their leading men and a fanatical pulpit have bestowed praise upon the actors and assassins in these crimes, while the governors of several of their States have refused to deliver parties implicated and indicted for participation in such offences, upon the legal demands of the States aggrieved.

They have, through the mails and hired emissaries, sent seditious pamphlets and papers among us to stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides.

They have sent hired emissaries among us to burn our towns and distribute arms and poison to our slaves for the same purpose.

They have impoverished the slave-holding States by unequal and partial legislation, thereby enriching themselves by draining our substance.

They have refused to vote appropriations for protecting Texas against ruthless savages, for the sole reason that she is a slave-holding State.

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pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:25 am
29again wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:10 am
Lemons wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:37 pm

Not true:

They fought for the greedy slave owners who didn't want to give up their free labor. Most of them, like every war every fought, had no choice in fighting. They were forced to fight by people more powerful than them. For this reason alone they should burn that flag.
That's one of many lies taught to us in school. Slavery actually was not the focal point of the Civil War. It was more about economics and states rights than it was about slavery.
Bullshit. There are historical letters and historical documents of succession where the states come right out and say the reason they're succeeding from the Union is slavery. It's not good enough that the federal government was willing to allow the south to keep slaves. They objected to the banning of slavery everywhere else and including the new territories. It is well documented in archived documents.
I did not say that slavery played NO part in it, I said that economics and states rights were the bigger parts, and slavery was part of those issues. But it was not solely and only because of slavery.
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29again wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:36 am
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:25 am
29again wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:10 am

That's one of many lies taught to us in school. Slavery actually was not the focal point of the Civil War. It was more about economics and states rights than it was about slavery.
Bullshit. There are historical letters and historical documents of succession where the states come right out and say the reason they're succeeding from the Union is slavery. It's not good enough that the federal government was willing to allow the south to keep slaves. They objected to the banning of slavery everywhere else and including the new territories. It is well documented in archived documents.
I did not say that slavery played NO part in it, I said that economics and states rights were the bigger parts, and slavery was part of those issues. But it was not solely and only because of slavery.
Slavery WAS the F***ing economics rights that they were talking about. Owning human beings to do hard labor and not having to pay them an honest wage was a F***ing economic boon. All of it is mentioned in the documents of succession. Look at my post again. I've pulled up four of them from archives. ALL of them say the right to own slaves was the reason. And the federal government was WILLING TO LET THEM KEEEP THEIR SLAVES. It just weren't willing to let the Southern slave owners chase after runaway slaves once they made it to freedom or to let slavery be legal in the new territories. THAT IS WHY THEY SUCCEEDED. THAT IS WHY WE WENT TO WAR.
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29again wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:10 am
Lemons wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:37 pm
4HotTacos wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:08 pm
Did a lil googling and found this. Hope it helps. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23705803
Not true:
That's not true, says Barry Isenhour, a member of the group, who says it's really about honouring the Confederate soldiers who gave their lives. For him, the war was not primarily about slavery but standing up to being over-taxed, and he says many southerners abhorred slavery.
They fought for the greedy slave owners who didn't want to give up their free labor. Most of them, like every war every fought, had no choice in fighting. They were forced to fight by people more powerful than them. For this reason alone they should burn that flag.
That's one of many lies taught to us in school. Slavery actually was not the focal point of the Civil War. It was more about economics and states rights than it was about slavery.
Slavery was economics. It was a system of ownership of labor to produce profit on plantations. Also a huge economic engine in the purchase and sale of human beings. Those humans were were used as collateral for loans, their labors hired out by "owners" for profit, they were bequeathed in estates and given as wedding gifts. Enslaved persons were a valuable commodity that built fortunes for slave-owning states, and many banks and businesses in non-slave states as well.
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I don’t understand the need to walk around with guns strapped to yourself like that like some of those pictures coming out.

Those people are scary.
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