White House violated the law by freezing Ukraine aid, GAO says

[Deleted User 1461]

They've been screeching for impeachment since Trump walked in and it gives me a chill every time. I don't know WHY anyone that's complaining so hard about Trump, claiming he's racist, claiming he's a white supremacist and whatever blatant nonsense they say, would want Pence to walk into the presidency.

You want freedoms taken away? You want abortion abolished? You want the 'mos to She to go back into hiding? You want travel bans? You want no immigrants allowed into this country? You want to keep complaining that old white men are the ones who are favored? Keep screeching for impeachment.

What the hell do they think this country of ours would look like under President Pence? Do they simply not understand what happens if Trump gets removed?

That's some extreme drama.

In my opinion, everything that the left bitches about with Trump would be 10x worse under a Pence presidency. I count him as extreme right based on actions in his former post. I can't figure out why the left would want him instead of Trump.

Moderates don’t want either Trump or Pence.
The GOP has lost its mind.

[Francee89]

Rules of aid are to ensure compliance. I don’t see the aid delay as being illegal.

The GAO is clear on why it was illegal. What did Ukraine do to demonstrate compliance for it to be released in September? Are we to believe it was just a big coincidence the aid got suddenly released on September 11th as the White House became aware that the House Intelligence Committee was learning of a whistleblower complaint and the fact that Congress was going to start investigating on September 9th?

You didn’t answer - what’s the proof of Ukrainian meddling in 2016? Why is Trump simultaneously illegally withholding aid, while using his personal lawyer and phone calls to demand an investigation into his political rival acceptable to Republicans? Does that seem like appropriate behavior?

Politico wrote an article about Ukraine apologizing, trying to make amends with Trump for trying to undermine him in the election. They admitted to meddling in our election. It was published on Jan 11, 2017.

Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

How much more explicit does it have to be? Is there a better way to word it, to make more understandable to the general public?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446

The number 3 most senior person at Trump’s State Department testified publicly that Ukraine didn’t meddle: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ling-07489. As your own article notes, these were individual actions - not a coordinated, top down government attempt to meddle, as there was with Russian meddling.

[29again]

The GAO is clear on why it was illegal. What did Ukraine do to demonstrate compliance for it to be released in September? Are we to believe it was just a big coincidence the aid got suddenly released on September 11th as the White House became aware that the House Intelligence Committee was learning of a whistleblower complaint and the fact that Congress was going to start investigating on September 9th?

You didn’t answer - what’s the proof of Ukrainian meddling in 2016? Why is Trump simultaneously illegally withholding aid, while using his personal lawyer and phone calls to demand an investigation into his political rival acceptable to Republicans? Does that seem like appropriate behavior?

Politico wrote an article about Ukraine apologizing, trying to make amends with Trump for trying to undermine him in the election. They admitted to meddling in our election. It was published on Jan 11, 2017.

Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

How much more explicit does it have to be? Is there a better way to word it, to make more understandable to the general public?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446

The number 3 most senior person at Trump’s State Department testified publicly that Ukraine didn’t meddle: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ling-07489. As your own article notes, these were individual actions - not a coordinated, top down government attempt to meddle, as there was with Russian meddling.

Your link gets me "We're sorry, but that page cannot be found." The article I linked refers to Ukrainian government officials. So, while it may not have been a top-down government sanctioned effort, there was still meddling by Ukraine in our election and everyone seems to ignore that LITTLE fact.

[Francee89]

Politico wrote an article about Ukraine apologizing, trying to make amends with Trump for trying to undermine him in the election. They admitted to meddling in our election. It was published on Jan 11, 2017.



How much more explicit does it have to be? Is there a better way to word it, to make more understandable to the general public?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446

The number 3 most senior person at Trump’s State Department testified publicly that Ukraine didn’t meddle: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ling-07489. As your own article notes, these were individual actions - not a coordinated, top down government attempt to meddle, as there was with Russian meddling.

Your link gets me "We're sorry, but that page cannot be found." The article I linked refers to Ukrainian government officials. So, while it may not have been a top-down government sanctioned effort, there was still meddling by Ukraine in our election and everyone seems to ignore that LITTLE fact.

Here you are: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ing-074891. There’s a huge difference between the actions of random Ukrainian officials and a coordinated Ukrainian government effort to meddle.

[29again]

The number 3 most senior person at Trump’s State Department testified publicly that Ukraine didn’t meddle: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ling-07489. As your own article notes, these were individual actions - not a coordinated, top down government attempt to meddle, as there was with Russian meddling.

Your link gets me "We're sorry, but that page cannot be found." The article I linked refers to Ukrainian government officials. So, while it may not have been a top-down government sanctioned effort, there was still meddling by Ukraine in our election and everyone seems to ignore that LITTLE fact.

Here you are: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ing-074891. There’s a huge difference between the actions of random Ukrainian officials and a coordinated Ukrainian government effort to meddle.

Does the difference between random officials and a coordinated government effort mean that nothing ever happened??

[Valentina327]

I'd love to see the GAO focus on finding the lost billions of our money that keeps disappearing without a trace, and to find out why California's comptroller can't find her checkbook.

Just a couple of things I think would be beneficial to look into.

[29again]

The number 3 most senior person at Trump’s State Department testified publicly that Ukraine didn’t meddle: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ling-07489. As your own article notes, these were individual actions - not a coordinated, top down government attempt to meddle, as there was with Russian meddling.

Your link gets me "We're sorry, but that page cannot be found." The article I linked refers to Ukrainian government officials. So, while it may not have been a top-down government sanctioned effort, there was still meddling by Ukraine in our election and everyone seems to ignore that LITTLE fact.

Here you are: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ing-074891. There’s a huge difference between the actions of random Ukrainian officials and a coordinated Ukrainian government effort to meddle.

So, even though Ukraine apologized for something, it was something they didn't even do. Do I have that right? And the Russian meddling amounted to buying about a half million dollars worth of facebook ads. Oh, and helping write that dossier that was debunked. WHY would Ukraine apologize for something they did NOT do? Who does that help?

[Francee89]

Your link gets me "We're sorry, but that page cannot be found." The article I linked refers to Ukrainian government officials. So, while it may not have been a top-down government sanctioned effort, there was still meddling by Ukraine in our election and everyone seems to ignore that LITTLE fact.

Here you are: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ing-074891. There’s a huge difference between the actions of random Ukrainian officials and a coordinated Ukrainian government effort to meddle.

Does the difference between random officials and a coordinated government effort mean that nothing ever happened??

It means that there was no coordinated effort by the Ukrainian government to meddle, making it incorrect to say Ukraine meddled.

[Francee89]

Your link gets me "We're sorry, but that page cannot be found." The article I linked refers to Ukrainian government officials. So, while it may not have been a top-down government sanctioned effort, there was still meddling by Ukraine in our election and everyone seems to ignore that LITTLE fact.

Here you are: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ing-074891. There’s a huge difference between the actions of random Ukrainian officials and a coordinated Ukrainian government effort to meddle.

So, even though Ukraine apologized for something, it was something they didn't even do. Do I have that right? And the Russian meddling amounted to buying about a half million dollars worth of facebook ads. Oh, and helping write that dossier that was debunked. WHY would Ukraine apologize for something they did NOT do? Who does that help?

Could you quote where exactly they apologized?

[29again]

Here you are: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ing-074891. There’s a huge difference between the actions of random Ukrainian officials and a coordinated Ukrainian government effort to meddle.

So, even though Ukraine apologized for something, it was something they didn't even do. Do I have that right? And the Russian meddling amounted to buying about a half million dollars worth of facebook ads. Oh, and helping write that dossier that was debunked. WHY would Ukraine apologize for something they did NOT do? Who does that help?

Could you quote where exactly they apologized?

Oh, my mistake, they didn't apologize, per se.

Poroshenko’s allies are scrambling to figure out how to build a relationship with Trump, who is known for harboring and prosecuting grudges for years.

They knew they fucked up big-time, and were willing to do almost anything to make things right. Not sure how I read an apology into that, but somehow I did.