I think you're failing to see my point. I am dumbfounded as to why anyone would PAY FOR A DEFECTIVE PRODUCT. I am not speaking about procreating with a partner you love, "taking a risk" for some genetic flaw because you love them and want them to father your kid. I am speaking about buying sperm. there are thousands, maybe millions of donors to choose from. you have no emotional connection to them, so why would you not choose the best product? of course there is always a risk of a genetic flaw but people buying sperm usually try to control that as much as they can. its a fact men with healthy lifestyles and a healthy immune system will have healthier sperm with less chance of defects. there is a reason men are supposed to take vitamins, stop drinking, and improve their diet for months before TTC. a lot of drugs can cause defective sperm. why would anyone want that?Pjmm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:21 amTo me this is all hypothetical anyway since I don't want more kids. My point is I wouldn't necessarily choose an athlete. I want different characteristics for the father of my children. Also you never know. I found out, sadly that heart disease runs on my ex's side. He died very young. Too late to worry about it now. My second point was I'm not sure HIV drugs ruin a man's immune system since Magic Johnson apparently beat the odds given to him at the time. But if the virus isn't present in the sperm then it seems to me there's no more problem than what my boys face- an increased risk of heart disease. In the end we all choose what we wish. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.water<wine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:10 amand I wouldnt KNOWINGLY choose someone with a recessive gene for say cystic fibrosis just to "break a stigma". I would do everything in my control to have the healthiest baby with the best genes. it doesn't have to be "would you rather", if you're paying for sperm, it becomes a product and you are perfectly justified in being discriminating.Pjmm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:09 pm
Your athlete could have some recessive gene for God knows what. I'll take a normal guy who has a good sense of humor, is loving, kind and has good character. As for the bank and immune systems Idk Magic Johnson is doing well and has been for what, twenty five years? I remember thinking he wouldn't live this long. He got sick when it was still often a death sentence.
quick google and I found this:
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Biological alterations in reproductive physiology may account for sub-fertility in patients infected with HIV. Psychosocial factors in patients with HIV infection may affect reproductive desires and outcomes. Antiretroviral medications may have direct toxicity on gametes and embryos. Available evidence indicates that fertility treatments can be a safe option for HIV-discordant couples; although, potential risk of viral transmission cannot be completely eliminated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3165097/
I mean, people discriminate against egg donors and surrogate mothers too. you cant be older than 30-35, fat and in the case of surrogates a 1st mom.
does that "stigmatize" old, fat, never before pregnant women? or is it just people paying for eggs or paying for a surrogate want the best candidates with the best chances for a successful outcome?