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water<wine wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:57 am
GMa4all wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:23 am
water<wine wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:09 am

sure I would, a right wing populist candidate who supported a moratorium on all immigration for the next 10 years would be stiff competition.

and you would consider trump? especially since you claim to be a conservative? bet you wouldn't consider THAT alternative huh? why? because you consider things he supports abhorrent. well, the same applies from my POV. its all subjective. as far as the democrats, hell no. deal breakers for me:

open borders
incentivizing illegal immigration
infringement of the 2nd amendment
socialism
tax payer funded abortion on demand until birth

Welp, that eliminates ALL of them.

thanks for the typical snide remarks though!
Where did you get that? Infowars?
Or are you just trying to start a fight?
Or are you hallucinating?

“ welp”, none of those are real , democrats don’t want any of those !

“Tax payer funded abortion on demand until birth “— hell no! Are you insane?
None of your crazy statements are real!
Holy shit
holy shit. How can you be a democrat and be this ignorant of what your party's values are?

all of the dem candidates took a survey on abortion except for bloomberg since he was late to the game (not that it matters because hes a major pro-abort, thinks aborton is a "fundamental human right", anti 2nd amendment and for open borders DEALBREAKERS ^)

Warren, Pete, Bernie and Biden ALL want to repeal the hyde amendment. When asked about Abortion past 24 weeks they ALL said that its a woman's choice PERIOD.

that means tax payer funded abortion and abortion until birth since they all want MEDICAID FOR ALL.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/us/p ... nk-af382cb
I’m a moderate Democrat . I vote for the person though, not the party. I wanted to vote for Bush in 2016 but the idiotic GOP selected tRump as their nominee.
I do not agree with most of the issues you listed.
No way in hell ! and I do not believe ANY Denocrat agrees with “ abortion until birth”! They are pro choice and only agree with medically necessary abortion after 20 weeks.
You’re exaggerating again and your thread’s title with the word “ freaking” is YOUR creation.
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For those who post links w/o summary as if that supports their position, READ BETWEEN THE DAMN LINES:

New York's Abortion Law:

After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” That determination must be made by a “health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized” under state law, “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice.” Previously, abortions after 24 weeks were justified only in cases where the mother’s life was at risk:

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

New York’s RHA also repealed a section of the public health law that required the following: that abortions after 12 weeks be performed in a hospital; that an additional physician be present for abortions after 20 weeks to care for “any live birth that is the result of the abortion”; and that such babies be provided “immediate legal protection under the laws of the state of New York.”


YES, this law permits abortion until birth as long as a doctor decides the mother's "health" is at risk. health can basically be anything.

YES, this law makes it legal to not grant babies born ALIVE from botched abortions "immediate legal protection".


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/
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GMa4all wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:41 pm
water<wine wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:57 am
GMa4all wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:23 am

Where did you get that? Infowars?
Or are you just trying to start a fight?
Or are you hallucinating?

“ welp”, none of those are real , democrats don’t want any of those !

“Tax payer funded abortion on demand until birth “— hell no! Are you insane?
None of your crazy statements are real!
Holy shit
holy shit. How can you be a democrat and be this ignorant of what your party's values are?

all of the dem candidates took a survey on abortion except for bloomberg since he was late to the game (not that it matters because hes a major pro-abort, thinks aborton is a "fundamental human right", anti 2nd amendment and for open borders DEALBREAKERS ^)

Warren, Pete, Bernie and Biden ALL want to repeal the hyde amendment. When asked about Abortion past 24 weeks they ALL said that its a woman's choice PERIOD.

that means tax payer funded abortion and abortion until birth since they all want MEDICAID FOR ALL.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/us/p ... nk-af382cb
I’m a moderate Democrat . I vote for the person though, not the party. I wanted to vote for Bush in 2016 but the idiotic GOP selected tRump as their nominee.
I do not agree with most of the issues you listed.
No way in hell ! and I do not believe ANY Denocrat agrees with “ abortion until birth”! They are pro choice and only agree with medically necessary abortion after 20 weeks.
You’re exaggerating again and your thread’s title with the word “ freaking” is YOUR creation.
You're wrong. Flat out WRONG. They support abortion by choice up to birth.
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GMa4all wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:41 pm
water<wine wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:57 am
GMa4all wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:23 am

Where did you get that? Infowars?
Or are you just trying to start a fight?
Or are you hallucinating?

“ welp”, none of those are real , democrats don’t want any of those !

“Tax payer funded abortion on demand until birth “— hell no! Are you insane?
None of your crazy statements are real!
Holy shit
holy shit. How can you be a democrat and be this ignorant of what your party's values are?

all of the dem candidates took a survey on abortion except for bloomberg since he was late to the game (not that it matters because hes a major pro-abort, thinks aborton is a "fundamental human right", anti 2nd amendment and for open borders DEALBREAKERS ^)

Warren, Pete, Bernie and Biden ALL want to repeal the hyde amendment. When asked about Abortion past 24 weeks they ALL said that its a woman's choice PERIOD.

that means tax payer funded abortion and abortion until birth since they all want MEDICAID FOR ALL.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/us/p ... nk-af382cb
I’m a moderate Democrat . I vote for the person though, not the party. I wanted to vote for Bush in 2016 but the idiotic GOP selected tRump as their nominee.
I do not agree with most of the issues you listed.
No way in hell ! and I do not believe ANY Denocrat agrees with “ abortion until birth”! They are pro choice and only agree with medically necessary abortion after 20 weeks.
You’re exaggerating again and your thread’s title with the word “ freaking” is YOUR creation.
I dont have a thread title with the word "freaking" lol.

whether you agree with those issues or not is irrelevant to me. the candidates running as democrat DO support those things. I never quoted you to harass you about who you want to vote for. I was harassed by the PP because I have my own mind set to vote for trump and my own justifications for not considering any democrats running.

you can say they dont support abortion until birth until the cows come home but when asked about fetuses being aborted after viability and any limits, they have all said essentially the same- 'ITS A WOMAN'S CHOICE.' they havent said it must be "medically neccessary" but even if they did- IDC. based on vague subjective interpretation, "medical" or "health" can mean anything. as NY's law demonstrates. a woman's "emotional" health is enough to abort a healthy viable full term baby. that is absolutely disgusting and I wont support them ever.
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A Virginia Democratic House member acknowledged under questioning this week that her bill would legalize abortion through all 40 weeks of pregnancy, even if the woman is dilated and in labor.

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REMEMBER THIS MAN SAID THIS AND WORE BLACK FACE NEXT TO A MAN IN A KKK ROBE AND HIS APPROVAL WAS UP 9 MONTHS LATER. DON'T LECTURE THE RIGHT ON EVIL, MORALITY & RACISM. 2 Virginia gov official wearing black face, one sexually assaulting 2 women and virgina still went completely blue!

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water<wine wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:45 pm For those who post links w/o summary as if that supports their position, READ BETWEEN THE DAMN LINES:

New York's Abortion Law:

After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” That determination must be made by a “health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized” under state law, “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice.” Previously, abortions after 24 weeks were justified only in cases where the mother’s life was at risk:

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

New York’s RHA also repealed a section of the public health law that required the following: that abortions after 12 weeks be performed in a hospital; that an additional physician be present for abortions after 20 weeks to care for “any live birth that is the result of the abortion”; and that such babies be provided “immediate legal protection under the laws of the state of New York.”


YES, this law permits abortion until birth as long as a doctor decides the mother's "health" is at risk. health can basically be anything.

YES, this law makes it legal to not grant babies born ALIVE from botched abortions "immediate legal protection".


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/
I don’t care what “ the law “ says , it doesn’t mean that ALL democrats agree with those details.
I know I don’t and I’m sure there are millions more who are pro choice but only for real actually justified reasons, not for “ birth control “ and not up to the time of birth.
All the other items in your list are limited to a few people’s agreement, not everyone.
You’re putting all democrats into one big group and you’re exaggerating.
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GMa4all wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:44 pm
water<wine wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:45 pm For those who post links w/o summary as if that supports their position, READ BETWEEN THE DAMN LINES:

New York's Abortion Law:

After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” That determination must be made by a “health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized” under state law, “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice.” Previously, abortions after 24 weeks were justified only in cases where the mother’s life was at risk:

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

New York’s RHA also repealed a section of the public health law that required the following: that abortions after 12 weeks be performed in a hospital; that an additional physician be present for abortions after 20 weeks to care for “any live birth that is the result of the abortion”; and that such babies be provided “immediate legal protection under the laws of the state of New York.”


YES, this law permits abortion until birth as long as a doctor decides the mother's "health" is at risk. health can basically be anything.

YES, this law makes it legal to not grant babies born ALIVE from botched abortions "immediate legal protection".


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/
I don’t care what “ the law “ says , it doesn’t mean that ALL democrats agree with those details.
I know I don’t and I’m sure there are millions more who are pro choice but only for real actually justified reasons, not for “ birth control “ and not up to the time of birth.
All the other items in your list are limited to a few people’s agreement, not everyone.
You’re putting all democrats into one big group and you’re exaggerating.


Now you're contradicting yourself. You're the one who said "democrats don't want any of those".


GMa4all wrote:
Where did you get that? Infowars?
Or are you just trying to start a fight?
Or are you hallucinating?

“ welp”, none of those are real , democrats don’t want any of those !

“Tax payer funded abortion on demand until birth “— hell no! Are you insane?
None of your crazy statements are real!
Holy shit
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water<wine wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:45 pm For those who post links w/o summary as if that supports their position, READ BETWEEN THE DAMN LINES:

New York's Abortion Law:

After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” That determination must be made by a “health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized” under state law, “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice.” Previously, abortions after 24 weeks were justified only in cases where the mother’s life was at risk:

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

New York’s RHA also repealed a section of the public health law that required the following: that abortions after 12 weeks be performed in a hospital; that an additional physician be present for abortions after 20 weeks to care for “any live birth that is the result of the abortion”; and that such babies be provided “immediate legal protection under the laws of the state of New York.”


YES, this law permits abortion until birth as long as a doctor decides the mother's "health" is at risk. health can basically be anything.

YES, this law makes it legal to not grant babies born ALIVE from botched abortions "immediate legal protection".


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/
New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”
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Trump. And he will win again. Can anyone dispute that?
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