If your heart doesn’t break for asylum seekers, you may have a spiritual heart condition

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Of course my heart breaks for anyone who is suffering and struggling in life.
There are more legitimate asylum seekers than there are those who wish to use our "system" and to come to this country for criminal activity.

However, the practical side of me wonders just how on earth will manage any influx of immigrants right now, when so many of our cities are financially struggling to simply help out citizens already here?

Purse strings are still tight in many cities. How do we manage to help these folks when we can't always help those who are born here (or came here legally and are now naturalized)?

It's not always about having a heart that makes things work.
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AZLizardLady wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:47 pm Of course my heart breaks for anyone who is suffering and struggling in life.
There are more legitimate asylum seekers than there are those who wish to use our "system" and to come to this country for criminal activity.

However, the practical side of me wonders just how on earth will manage any influx of immigrants right now, when so many of our cities are financially struggling to simply help out citizens already here?

Purse strings are still tight in many cities. How do we manage to help these folks when we can't always help those who are born here (or came here legally and are now naturalized)?

It's not always about having a heart that makes things work.
How do you feel about the administration requiring asylum seekers remain at the border in Mexico? There are so many private charitable organizations that are willing to assist asylum seekers. How do you feel about them being shut out of the process?
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Lexy wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:34 pm
Dylexsmommy wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:31 pm My heart breaks for all the homeless veterans I see all over our streets. I've met quite a few close to my job, which is literally 5 miles from the local VA. They can't get help at all.
They know me pretty well by now and are always so nice to me even when I don't have anything to give them that day.
My heart breaks for them too, and the homeless families living on the streets in many of our major cities.
What do you do about it?

And honestly I don’t know all parts of the country but the northeast doesn’t leave families to live in the streets. They have emergency shelters, emergency hotel rooms, transportations for schools for homeless children. There are services. There are services for veterans too.

Many veterans and others choose the streets. I met one man who had a family. His wife said choose to get sober or leave. He chose to leave. Many can’t get clean enough or don’t want to get clean enough to take advantage of programs offered to them. They can’t handle the stress of family life. They have mental illness that is difficult or impossible to treat. Every story is different.

The story conservatives love to drag out is “whatabout our own veterans, our families, our homeless. “ It doesn’t have to be only one or the other.
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msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:57 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:47 pm Of course my heart breaks for anyone who is suffering and struggling in life.
There are more legitimate asylum seekers than there are those who wish to use our "system" and to come to this country for criminal activity.

However, the practical side of me wonders just how on earth will manage any influx of immigrants right now, when so many of our cities are financially struggling to simply help out citizens already here?

Purse strings are still tight in many cities. How do we manage to help these folks when we can't always help those who are born here (or came here legally and are now naturalized)?

It's not always about having a heart that makes things work.
How do you feel about the administration requiring asylum seekers remain at the border in Mexico? There are so many private charitable organizations that are willing to assist asylum seekers. How do you feel about them being shut out of the process?
My question to those private charitable organizations is how are they currently helping US citizens, born/naturalized? Are they providing for them as well?

I don't believe a charitable organization should be turned away from helping the asylum seekers provided they are also helping current US citizens.
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msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm "We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
I agree.🙁
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Momto2boys973 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm True. The heartlessness of some people is appalling, as is the way they try to justify it.
The vilification of innocent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children disgusts me. Only someone with little empathy and compassion can sink that low.
I agree.
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Pjmm wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:04 pm If you read things like The Jungle by Upton Sinclair-i think that's right- you'll learn we never cared for immigrants although we have always needed them. I personally do care and do believe we need them. They're our backbone.
Yep
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Lemons wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:28 pm
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm "We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
You’re stereotyping is no better than the stereotypes you hate of Trump’s base being the least informed, most gullible people in the country.

Compassion for others and being able to put yourself in their shoes does not belong to liberals. It’s a human trait and it’s rare. Too rare.
Well said
I agree
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Thank you
Everyone needs to know these facts —it just is so not right when uninformed people accuse these people of getting welfare, etc . These people have to wait such a long time and it’s not easy.They’re trying and they contribute so much here.
Momto2boys973 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 pm There are actually many American retirees living in Mexico collecting welfare. I don’t mind.
And maybe you should educate yourself on the issues around unauthorized immigration. Undocumented immigrants actually pay taxes. Billions of dollars in taxes. And it’s a myth that they get welfare. The reality is that white they do pay taxes, they’re not entitled to any benefits and the vast majority won’t even try as it’s highly risky for them. Undocumented Immigrants also contribute to your welfare in another significant way: by keeping the costs of basic products and services low. So you benefit from their taxes, and from their cheap labor and they hardly take anything away from you.
Fact is, America is a country that thrived and flourished thanks to immigration- both documented and undocumented. And because of that, it now has a symbiotic relationship with immigrants. And you can’t just cut out that relationship without causing serious damage to both parties. The American economy would suffer a serious blow.

And really? 25 million? With “hundreds of thousands” entering each month? How very dramatic 😂 Are you even aware that for many years there has been more Mexicans leaving the U.S than going in? https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/20 ... o-the-u-s/

Here are some facts you obviously don’t know:

https://www.adl.org/resources/fact-shee ... en-espanol
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:25 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm True. The heartlessness of some people is appalling, as is the way they try to justify it.
The vilification of innocent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children disgusts me. Only someone with little empathy and compassion can sink that low.
so you'd be ok if 25 million uninvited american southerners were living in Mexico collecting welfare and they just kept on coming. hundreds of thousands per month just kept coming. then your government decides to decriminalize their border crossings, give free healthcare, all welfare to them, and creates a grant for them funded with billions of dollars in tax payer money to pay for their legal defenses. so of course EVEN MORE WILL COME. wouldnt mind at all huh?
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AZLizardLady wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:13 pm
msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:57 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:47 pm Of course my heart breaks for anyone who is suffering and struggling in life.
There are more legitimate asylum seekers than there are those who wish to use our "system" and to come to this country for criminal activity.

However, the practical side of me wonders just how on earth will manage any influx of immigrants right now, when so many of our cities are financially struggling to simply help out citizens already here?

Purse strings are still tight in many cities. How do we manage to help these folks when we can't always help those who are born here (or came here legally and are now naturalized)?

It's not always about having a heart that makes things work.
How do you feel about the administration requiring asylum seekers remain at the border in Mexico? There are so many private charitable organizations that are willing to assist asylum seekers. How do you feel about them being shut out of the process?
My question those private charitable organizations is how are they currently helping US citizens, born/naturalized? Are they providing for them as well?

I don't believe a charitable organization should be turned away from helping the asylum seekers provided they are also helping current US citizens.
I don’t understand your last paragraph? Should refugee and asylum non profits be required to donate a percentage of funds to US citizens? Certainly that is not what you’re trying to say.
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