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Momto2boys973 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm True. The heartlessness of some people is appalling, as is the way they try to justify it.
The vilification of innocent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children disgusts me. Only someone with little empathy and compassion can sink that low.


I live in one of the poorest states in the country. It is heartbreaking how so many children are being raised in extreme poverty. Until we solve poverty in this country we have no business letting in economic refugees.
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Lemons wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:28 pm
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm "We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
You’re stereotyping is no better than the stereotypes you hate of Trump’s base being the least informed, most gullible people in the country.

Compassion for others and being able to put yourself in their shoes does not belong to liberals. It’s a human trait and it’s rare. Too rare.
Sounded jelly to me, lol.
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Lemons wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:28 pm
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm "We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
You’re stereotyping is no better than the stereotypes you hate of Trump’s base being the least informed, most gullible people in the country.

Compassion for others and being able to put yourself in their shoes does not belong to liberals. It’s a human trait and it’s rare. Too rare.
what stereotyping is that?
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Dylexsmommy wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:31 pm My heart breaks for all the homeless veterans I see all over our streets. I've met quite a few close to my job, which is literally 5 miles from the local VA. They can't get help at all.
They know me pretty well by now and are always so nice to me even when I don't have anything to give them that day.
Have you offered to take them to the veteran's administration?
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Exactly! You definitely nailed it and you got her number, as they say !
Momto2boys973 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:40 am Well, well, well, I’m guessing you won’t be getting pissed anymore when stereotypes of Always Trumpers start coming up, right? Or is it only OK to stereotype and demean when YOU do it?

Having said that, being capable of empathy and compassion doesn’t mean one has to live in poverty in order to help. Funny how you despise socialism and then come with such a socialist concept. It also doesn’t mean that that person has to single handedly be the solution to a problem. My heart breaks every time I see an abused animal, that doesn’t mean I have to adopt every stray I run into or that I have to deny myself all comfort to save puppies. It also doesn’t mean that I can’t judge animal abusers as despicable and disgusting individuals. Do you feel bad for, let’s say, abused American kids at all? I mean, I’m sure we can agree that those do deserve your compassion, right? So are YOU giving up all your “luxuries” to save all the abused children of America? How many have you adopted?

But I see by your comment why Trump’s tactic of vilifying immigrants has worked so well amongst his followers. It dehumanizes these people and makes them unworthy of any compassion and empathy. Just like Hitler did with Jews.
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm "We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
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msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:16 pm
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm "We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
I can't answer for all liberals and admittedly I'm probably a little unique. I grew up in a Christian household who took 10% tithe seriously and expanded that ideal to 10% of time volunteering. While I'm no longer Christian, my family is still really committed to that degree of giving, if not more. I would consider us lower middle class but we donate 10% of our income. We volunteer regularly - currently with organizations who focus on food security and those who assist asylum seekers. I've never had a soy milk latte, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, etc. and we've chosen to give up cable. Don't take my avocado toast away!
That's fantastic. There are not many that can truly say that. ❤
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I'm not against immigration at all. I'm only the second generation born here. My people definitely do not date back to the Mayflower. I am staunchly against open borders. That's how we lose our sovereignty. That's how WE get dragged down, as a nation, into poverty. We need to know who's coming into our country and forwhat purpose. I don't see a thing wrong with that.

There are immigration laws for a reason. Resources are finite. There are only so many shelters, so many courtrooms, so many judges, so much snap money, so many doctors.

There needs to be a process where the flow is controlled so that everyone can be serviced. Immigration law is that process. Go to Disney land - 300 people don't rush the entrance to a ride at once. If they did you'd never get anywhere. You come in, get in line and wind your way through those ropes. They're meant to slow you down so that those in front of you can get done what they need to get done. Immigration law is the same concept on a macro scale.

Yes, this is a great country with many, many opportunities that others don't have. I feel extremely blessed to live here and to have been born here. But EVERYONE who's living in poverty can't come here, and they certainly can't come in DROVES all at once.

There needs to be criteria. Mexico, the country people are running from, has criteria that you have to meet to immigrate there. So does Canada. Why on earth should we continue to be hammered to just throw the doors open wide and say "whatever".

Truly seeking asylum is one thing. Coming here to improve your economic situation is quite another.
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Momto2boys973 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 pm There are actually many American retirees living in Mexico collecting welfare. I don’t mind. I noticed you carefully worded that , howm any are Illegals?

And maybe you should educate yourself on the issues around unauthorized immigration. - says you right before you spout untrue democratic talking points I have debunked at least ten times on here before.Undocumented immigrants actually pay taxes. Billions of dollars in taxes. They pay sales taxes, not income taxes. Unless they are using a STOLEN SS#. and they are a NET NEGATIVE. illegals cost us 18 billion per year in healthcare costs alone https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... 43673912c4 "The data show that immigrants take more in benefits than they pay in taxes. Although immigrants do boost the size of the economy, the gains are heavily skewed toward the immigrants themselves and to wealthy investors — not to native-born workers who end up competing with the new arrivals." https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ear-natio/

And its a myth that they get welfare

1st of all I was clearly referencing Bernie and other democrat candidates proposal to give illegals FULL ACCESS TO WELFARE BENEFITS. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sander ... ation-plan BUT even as it stands today yes they do! its a myth that they don't get any welfare 😂 "Democrats and liberals are abandoning the consensus that immigrants should make their own way and not rely on taxpayer-funded safety-net welfare programs heretofore generally reserved for citizens, full participants in our polity. States can choose to make immigrants eligible for some federal safety-net programs, and many have. And in some cases, even if the immigrant isn’t here legally." California has made illegal immigrants under the age of 18 eligible for Medicaid. It recently expanded that to include adults up to the age of 25." https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 095162001/ theres a lot more programs they get, I didnt include here.

The reality is that white they do pay taxes, they’re not entitled to any benefits and the vast majority won’t even try as it’s highly risky for them. - already debunked this ^

Undocumented Immigrants also contribute to your welfare in another significant way: by keeping the costs of basic products and services low. So you benefit from their taxes, and from their cheap labor and they hardly take anything away from you. -You're literally trying to argue in favor of slave wages?! 😂 once again. this is just not the whole truth. on paper they have no wages, some get very low wages but they get welfare to supplement and they use our infastructure/public services. their wages in certain industries are comparable to standard. My contractor FIL can tell you the illegal construction workers in the bay area are getting paid $30 an hour. and they dominate that industry to the point if you dont speak spanish they wont hire you because its too hard to speak two different languages. but yes they do LOWER WAGES FOR EVERYONE so thanks for pointing that out
Fact is, America is a country that thrived and flourished thanks to immigration- both documented and undocumented. And because of that, it now has a symbiotic relationship with immigrants. And you can’t just cut out that relationship without causing serious damage to both parties. The American economy would suffer a serious blow. -LOL, we never had hundreds of thousands of "undocumented" immigrants per month, we had laws prohibiting immigration here if the person were a public charge, there wasnt over inflated federal gov welfare to aid those immigrants of the past. we had influxes of immigrants when there were sudden explosions of jobs for unskilled labor, unlike now when there is a SHORTAGE of jobs for unskilled labor. we are moving to automation very soon. during the industrial revolution we needed unskilled labor and they were required to submit to health checks, have a sponser and recieved NOTHING in the form of aid. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2760060/ Now, those jobs are going to be GONE.


And really? 25 million? Yale study finds there are more than double the number of illegals than previously thought at at least 22 million (i rounded for an average) https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/ ... -estimates

With “hundreds of thousands” entering each month? more than 100k per month are APPREHENDED, its safe to assume many more get through. "May marked the third month in a row that more than 100,000 immigrants were taken into custody at the border amid a surge of migrants heading north in large groups from the Northern Triangle countries of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... y-n1014186

How very dramatic 😂 Are you even aware that for many years there has been more Mexicans leaving the U.S than going in? https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/20 ... o-the-u-s/ -are you even aware that mexico isnt the only country illegal come from? I think we are all aware that the current surge is coming from central and south america (hence why they are being detained in your country, mexico) but we have illegals from everywhere.
Here are some facts you obviously don’t know:

https://www.adl.org/resources/fact-shee ... en-espanol -the ADL is your source?!!! the group 4chan trolls constantly because theyre so gullible? LMFAO. no wonder you regurgitate the left's crap.
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Momto2boys973 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm True. The heartlessness of some people is appalling, as is the way they try to justify it.
The vilification of innocent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children disgusts me. Only someone with little empathy and compassion can sink that low.
so you'd be ok if 25 million uninvited american southerners were living in Mexico collecting welfare and they just kept on coming. hundreds of thousands per month just kept coming. then your government decides to decriminalize their border crossings, give free healthcare, all welfare to them, and creates a grant for them funded with billions of dollars in tax payer money to pay for their legal defenses. so of course EVEN MORE WILL COME. wouldnt mind at all huh?
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water<wine wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:35 am
Lemons wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:28 pm
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm

answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
You’re stereotyping is no better than the stereotypes you hate of Trump’s base being the least informed, most gullible people in the country.

Compassion for others and being able to put yourself in their shoes does not belong to liberals. It’s a human trait and it’s rare. Too rare.
what stereotyping is that?
You’re third paragraph stereotype. And what do you ?
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Momto2boys973 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:40 am Well, well, well, I’m guessing you won’t be getting pissed anymore when stereotypes of Always Trumpers start coming up, right? Or is it only OK to stereotype and demean when YOU do it? haha, I never did. I dont claim to be a tolerant leftist. YOU and your allies will claim to be tolerant, will claim sterotypes or generalizations are wrong (some illegals are rapists/drug dealers) (mexico is a shithole country) then turn around and do the same. you will claim stereotyping Chicago or balitmore, SF as dangerous or dirty cities is prejudiced but do the same with the south. I never complained about your cute little nicknames. I have always supported free speech here for all - but skip makes censorship rules and she's being consistent with the hypocrites, good on her. you always do this. I point out prince harry is a hypocrite for flying private jets while espousing climate activism, you defend him by pointing out trump flies on private jets. where you are lost, trump never claimed to be a climate activist. he never told people they shouldnt fly while flying himself. hes not a hypocrite in that regard so your comparison makes no sense.

Having said that, being capable of empathy and compassion doesn’t mean one has to live in poverty in order to help. - no you dont and being against mass illegal immigration and using scruitiny to determine LEGITIMATE asylum cases doesnt mean you lack all compassion and empathy. This post is suggesting if you dont agree with their perspective you have no heart. I was mearly pointing out that what is consdiered empathetic and compassion is subjective. Most westerners can sacrifice a lot more than they do but they choose not to. then to demand others abide by YOUR (general) standards when you yourself have room to give is very hypocritical. Funny how you despise socialism and then come with such a socialist concept. - again I was using a rhetorical argument to point out that she could give more but chooses not to therefore we are all a little selfish. it is completely subjective how much is "enough", but by claiming you either accept all illegals as refugees or you are a heartless monster is emotional manipulation and a logical fallacy. AND HYPOCRITICAL

It also doesn’t mean that that person has to single handedly be the solution to a problem. - no it doesnt, so its pretty unfair to suggest if someone disagrees with the left's particular solutions being the only right method or perspective, they then are immoral heartless monsters. thanks for helping my argument.

My heart breaks every time I see an abused animal, that doesn’t mean I have to adopt every stray I run into or that I have to deny myself all comfort to save puppies. Are you trying to help my argument? so why do we have to "adopt" every person who crosses our border w/o permission? It also doesn’t mean that I can’t judge animal abusers as despicable and disgusting individuals. - sure you can, dont judge americans as the "Abusers" though. we didnt make them break the law and come here w/o permission. blame them for not doing it legally, blame the governments of the nations these people come from, blame drug cartels, blame gangs. (those are the abusers) Do you feel bad for, let’s say, abused American kids at all? I mean, I’m sure we can agree that those do deserve your compassion, right? So are YOU giving up all your “luxuries” to save all the abused children of America? How many have you adopted? - once again, you are helping my argument. I am not shaming people as heartless for not wanting mass uncontrolled immigration. I am pointing out that people suggesting this are not perfect benedictine monks themselves giving up all but the clothes on their backs for others therefore THEY should NOT put demands on ME.

But I see by your comment why Trump’s tactic of vilifying immigrants has worked so well amongst his followers.- trump didn't dehumanize immigrants, he made true comments. Some are drug dealers and rapists and some are good people. that is what he said. the MEDIA chose to spread the message he dehumanized them when he didn't, by selectively editing almost everything he says..

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best," Trump said. "They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. Their rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." the point here is if we dont know who is crossing we dont screen out rapists, drug dealers, and criminals. they come across too. there are "good people" wanting a better economic situation but that still doesnt make them legitimate refugees. that doesnt justify abusing refugee programs to allow economic migrants to take spots from people actually fleeing war and persecution. that still shouldnt mean they get to cut in line of other "good people" waiting to get in.

his job is to make sure people coming here are not a threat. borders are necessary for that. DISCRIMINATION is necessary for that. we cant take in the whole world so we have to come up with standards and limits. It dehumanizes these people and makes them unworthy of any compassion and empathy. Just like Hitler did with Jews. - um no. I cant believe you think border control is comparable to genocide. wtf?
water<wine wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm "We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
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