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Olioxenfree wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:26 pm Completely idiotic and immoral. It does not keep people out, it wastes money and forces families to take much more dangerous routes.
How is going through the check points more dangerous?
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Olioxenfree wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:26 pm Completely idiotic and immoral. It does not keep people out, it wastes money and forces families to take much more dangerous routes.
Protecting our border isn't immoral and forcing families to take a dangerous route?? How about they come in like everyone else?
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I haven't seen or read much about the caravans lately. What happened to them?
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Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:31 pm
Olioxenfree wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:26 pm Completely idiotic and immoral. It does not keep people out, it wastes money and forces families to take much more dangerous routes.
How is going through the check points more dangerous?
You don't think they would just go through the checkpoints if that was a practical option? The wait time for just the processing of an asylum seeker or refugee visa from Central America is 15 months. A green card can take over 3 years. It also costs a lot of money. When you are in a desperate situation and you or your family will not survive that long. If it were as simple as going through a checkpoint, people would not be walking through the desert in the first place.
In the 90s a 14 mile stretch of wall was built along the border covering the most popular crossing points. After it's construction, people didn't stop coming, they just took more dangerous routes, through rougher parts of the desert and by boat. The number of undocumented immigrants did not drop (especially since most undocumented immigrants never illegally cross the border), but the number of immigrants who died trying to cross the border skyrocketed.
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jas wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:02 am
Olioxenfree wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:26 pm Completely idiotic and immoral. It does not keep people out, it wastes money and forces families to take much more dangerous routes.
Protecting our border isn't immoral and forcing families to take a dangerous route?? How about they come in like everyone else?
Who is this "everybody else"? The people from countries that have a much easier time getting a visa? You don't think they would just go through the checkpoints if that was a practical option? The wait time for just the processing of an asylum seeker or refugee visa from Central America is 15 months. A green card can take over 3 years. It also costs a lot of money. When you are in a desperate situation and you or your family will not survive that long. If it were as simple as going through a checkpoint, people would not be walking through the desert in the first place.
In the 90s a 14 mile stretch of wall was built along the border covering the most popular crossing points. After it's construction, people didn't stop coming, they just took more dangerous routes, through rougher parts of the desert and by boat. The number of undocumented immigrants did not drop (especially since most undocumented immigrants never illegally cross the border), but the number of immigrants who died trying to cross the border skyrocketed.
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Olioxenfree wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:55 am
jas wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:02 am
Olioxenfree wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:26 pm Completely idiotic and immoral. It does not keep people out, it wastes money and forces families to take much more dangerous routes.
Protecting our border isn't immoral and forcing families to take a dangerous route?? How about they come in like everyone else?
Who is this "everybody else"? The people from countries that have a much easier time getting a visa? You don't think they would just go through the checkpoints if that was a practical option? The wait time for just the processing of an asylum seeker or refugee visa from Central America is 15 months. A green card can take over 3 years. It also costs a lot of money. When you are in a desperate situation and you or your family will not survive that long. If it were as simple as going through a checkpoint, people would not be walking through the desert in the first place.
In the 90s a 14 mile stretch of wall was built along the border covering the most popular crossing points. After it's construction, people didn't stop coming, they just took more dangerous routes, through rougher parts of the desert and by boat. The number of undocumented immigrants did not drop (especially since most undocumented immigrants never illegally cross the border), but the number of immigrants who died trying to cross the border skyrocketed.
So that excuses crossing illegally?

umm... no. It doesn't.
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CockatooCrazyColt529 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:32 am I haven't seen or read much about the caravans lately. What happened to them?
They're stuck in Mexico who isn't giving them access to go north.
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jas wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:06 am
CockatooCrazyColt529 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:32 am I haven't seen or read much about the caravans lately. What happened to them?
They're stuck in Mexico who isn't giving them access to go north.
So they aren't sneaking across the border anymore en masse?
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Olioxenfree wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:53 am
Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:31 pm
Olioxenfree wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:26 pm Completely idiotic and immoral. It does not keep people out, it wastes money and forces families to take much more dangerous routes.
How is going through the check points more dangerous?
You don't think they would just go through the checkpoints if that was a practical option? The wait time for just the processing of an asylum seeker or refugee visa from Central America is 15 months. A green card can take over 3 years. It also costs a lot of money. When you are in a desperate situation and you or your family will not survive that long. If it were as simple as going through a checkpoint, people would not be walking through the desert in the first place.
In the 90s a 14 mile stretch of wall was built along the border covering the most popular crossing points. After it's construction, people didn't stop coming, they just took more dangerous routes, through rougher parts of the desert and by boat. The number of undocumented immigrants did not drop (especially since most undocumented immigrants never illegally cross the border), but the number of immigrants who died trying to cross the border skyrocketed.
It's not a question of practical! So that perfectly justifies doing whatever you want and illegally sneaking into a country...because they have to wait. Just like my grandparents had to. Just like everyone who goes through the process legally has to.

A homeless man is hungry and needs somewhere to sleep, so he can just kick in your front door, make a sandwich and crawl in bed with your children and you're not going to stop him? Call the police to take him out? Have him arrested? LOL

Same concept only on a macro scale. There's a process for a reason. To make sure everyone is accommodated and that there isn't chaos. There's only so many facilities, so many judges, so much aid to go around. That's why there's laws. EVERYONE would like to come here. This is a fantastic place to live. Unfortunately we can't fit the whole world in our country.
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CockatooCrazyColt529 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:26 am
jas wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:06 am
CockatooCrazyColt529 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:32 am I haven't seen or read much about the caravans lately. What happened to them?
They're stuck in Mexico who isn't giving them access to go north.
So they aren't sneaking across the border anymore en masse?
Don't know - the media is choosing to focus on other things at the moment. :P
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