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Linda_Runs wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:12 pm
Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:07 am
Linda_Runs wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:09 am

A free healthcare system is far from free, specially when the government is running it and in bed with the suppliers.
And why is this so difficult for the socialists to understand? Thank you for weighing in as a real person living these things Linda. I've always been told this from folks that have relocated from Canada but it's anecdotal when I repeat it.

I've also always heard from them that the care isn't the best, lots of waiting, being told you don't need a specialist for something, etc. Is that your same experience?
You about summarized Canadian healthcare. Healthcare in Canada is widely different from region to region with many of the systems, costs and benefits being different depending where you live. While nobody dies in an ER in Canada because they don't have health insurance, but the level of care, particularly continuing care and access to specialist in a reasonable amount of time, can be poor. What many people outside of Canada don't know is that once a patient is out of the hospital, many services such as prescription drugs, physiotherapy, prosthetic needs and so on are not covered under medicare. Statistically, 25 percent of Canadians do not fill their drug prescriptions because they can't afford to. Here are some examples from my own experience:

My mother-in-law spent two weeks in the hospital. At the end, while all her hospital services were paid by medicare, she received a bill for about $11,000 for the things that medicare would not pay for.

An MRI takes about three months to get unless it is an emergency and done at the hospital.

About 15% of Canadians do not have access to regular family healthcare.

As for ER wait times, it depends where you live and what statistic you read. The average wait time in Canada are about 4 hours, but that could be as high as 31 hours in Toronto or about 14 hours where I live.

Last week my neighbour went to the ER with debilitating stomach pains. He waited from 10 PM to 3:30 am to be seen, all the time in agony. They made sure he wasn't having a heart attack or appendicitis then discharged him as it was going to take up to three days to admit him because the wards were full.

I can go on!
Wow! For all of the issues we complain about here, they're nothing like this. That sounds incredibly frustrating, not to mention dangerous.

Thank you for taking the time to put together such a thorough, thoughtful response Linda.
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CockatooCrazyColt529 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:16 am
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I would hope people would have the common sense to realize and understand that someone has to pay for it.

I can't stand that, but I think hospitals, too, wind up in bed with the suppliers.

It's a cluster.... and there are many times I wish the government hadn't gotten involved. Same with education and housing. Seems to me every time they get involved, it makes costs increase.
And things get shittier. They can't run the things they're supposed to properly. I definitely don't want them involved any deeper in something as important as my very life. Enough had been wrecked already with Obama care.
They do a pretty good job with the military, except for those "$600" toilet seats and hammers. ;-/

But at the same time, we cannot allow the robber baron days to continue either.
Do you think the VA and Tri-Care are managed pretty good?
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Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:32 pm
Linda_Runs wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:12 pm
Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:07 am

And why is this so difficult for the socialists to understand? Thank you for weighing in as a real person living these things Linda. I've always been told this from folks that have relocated from Canada but it's anecdotal when I repeat it.

I've also always heard from them that the care isn't the best, lots of waiting, being told you don't need a specialist for something, etc. Is that your same experience?
You about summarized Canadian healthcare. Healthcare in Canada is widely different from region to region with many of the systems, costs and benefits being different depending where you live. While nobody dies in an ER in Canada because they don't have health insurance, but the level of care, particularly continuing care and access to specialist in a reasonable amount of time, can be poor. What many people outside of Canada don't know is that once a patient is out of the hospital, many services such as prescription drugs, physiotherapy, prosthetic needs and so on are not covered under medicare. Statistically, 25 percent of Canadians do not fill their drug prescriptions because they can't afford to. Here are some examples from my own experience:

My mother-in-law spent two weeks in the hospital. At the end, while all her hospital services were paid by medicare, she received a bill for about $11,000 for the things that medicare would not pay for.

An MRI takes about three months to get unless it is an emergency and done at the hospital.

About 15% of Canadians do not have access to regular family healthcare.

As for ER wait times, it depends where you live and what statistic you read. The average wait time in Canada are about 4 hours, but that could be as high as 31 hours in Toronto or about 14 hours where I live.

Last week my neighbour went to the ER with debilitating stomach pains. He waited from 10 PM to 3:30 am to be seen, all the time in agony. They made sure he wasn't having a heart attack or appendicitis then discharged him as it was going to take up to three days to admit him because the wards were full.

I can go on!
Wow! For all of the issues we complain about here, they're nothing like this. That sounds incredibly frustrating, not to mention dangerous.

Thank you for taking the time to put together such a thorough, thoughtful response Linda.
This is an interesting follow-up from my posts on this topic. As I mentioned, where I live we have universal (I use that term very loosely) healthcare. Because we do, we are at the mercy of the government in how they fund all medical procedures. I found out yesterday that I need an upper endoscopy. Because of years of unnecessary procedures because they are "free" to the patient, they were being abused. So, the government reduce funding to those procedures.

Now, I am on an approximately six month waiting list to get on a waiting list to get an endoscopy. Unless I find a private clinic and pay the $1,500 to $3,000, I probably will not get one under medicare before 2020 unless it is an emergency.
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Linda_Runs wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:17 am
Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:32 pm
Linda_Runs wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:12 pm

You about summarized Canadian healthcare. Healthcare in Canada is widely different from region to region with many of the systems, costs and benefits being different depending where you live. While nobody dies in an ER in Canada because they don't have health insurance, but the level of care, particularly continuing care and access to specialist in a reasonable amount of time, can be poor. What many people outside of Canada don't know is that once a patient is out of the hospital, many services such as prescription drugs, physiotherapy, prosthetic needs and so on are not covered under medicare. Statistically, 25 percent of Canadians do not fill their drug prescriptions because they can't afford to. Here are some examples from my own experience:

My mother-in-law spent two weeks in the hospital. At the end, while all her hospital services were paid by medicare, she received a bill for about $11,000 for the things that medicare would not pay for.

An MRI takes about three months to get unless it is an emergency and done at the hospital.

About 15% of Canadians do not have access to regular family healthcare.

As for ER wait times, it depends where you live and what statistic you read. The average wait time in Canada are about 4 hours, but that could be as high as 31 hours in Toronto or about 14 hours where I live.

Last week my neighbour went to the ER with debilitating stomach pains. He waited from 10 PM to 3:30 am to be seen, all the time in agony. They made sure he wasn't having a heart attack or appendicitis then discharged him as it was going to take up to three days to admit him because the wards were full.

I can go on!
Wow! For all of the issues we complain about here, they're nothing like this. That sounds incredibly frustrating, not to mention dangerous.

Thank you for taking the time to put together such a thorough, thoughtful response Linda.
This is an interesting follow-up from my posts on this topic. As I mentioned, where I live we have universal (I use that term very loosely) healthcare. Because we do, we are at the mercy of the government in how they fund all medical procedures. I found out yesterday that I need an upper endoscopy. Because of years of unnecessary procedures because they are "free" to the patient, they were being abused. So, the government reduce funding to those procedures.

Now, I am on an approximately six month waiting list to get on a waiting list to get an endoscopy. Unless I find a private clinic and pay the $1,500 to $3,000, I probably will not get one under medicare before 2020 unless it is an emergency.
I couldn't even imagine. I hope everything is ok Linda. How frustrating for you. :(
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Linda_Runs wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:17 am
Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:32 pm
Linda_Runs wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:12 pm

You about summarized Canadian healthcare. Healthcare in Canada is widely different from region to region with many of the systems, costs and benefits being different depending where you live. While nobody dies in an ER in Canada because they don't have health insurance, but the level of care, particularly continuing care and access to specialist in a reasonable amount of time, can be poor. What many people outside of Canada don't know is that once a patient is out of the hospital, many services such as prescription drugs, physiotherapy, prosthetic needs and so on are not covered under medicare. Statistically, 25 percent of Canadians do not fill their drug prescriptions because they can't afford to. Here are some examples from my own experience:

My mother-in-law spent two weeks in the hospital. At the end, while all her hospital services were paid by medicare, she received a bill for about $11,000 for the things that medicare would not pay for.

An MRI takes about three months to get unless it is an emergency and done at the hospital.

About 15% of Canadians do not have access to regular family healthcare.

As for ER wait times, it depends where you live and what statistic you read. The average wait time in Canada are about 4 hours, but that could be as high as 31 hours in Toronto or about 14 hours where I live.

Last week my neighbour went to the ER with debilitating stomach pains. He waited from 10 PM to 3:30 am to be seen, all the time in agony. They made sure he wasn't having a heart attack or appendicitis then discharged him as it was going to take up to three days to admit him because the wards were full.

I can go on!
Wow! For all of the issues we complain about here, they're nothing like this. That sounds incredibly frustrating, not to mention dangerous.

Thank you for taking the time to put together such a thorough, thoughtful response Linda.
This is an interesting follow-up from my posts on this topic. As I mentioned, where I live we have universal (I use that term very loosely) healthcare. Because we do, we are at the mercy of the government in how they fund all medical procedures. I found out yesterday that I need an upper endoscopy. Because of years of unnecessary procedures because they are "free" to the patient, they were being abused. So, the government reduce funding to those procedures.

Now, I am on an approximately six month waiting list to get on a waiting list to get an endoscopy. Unless I find a private clinic and pay the $1,500 to $3,000, I probably will not get one under medicare before 2020 unless it is an emergency.
That’s terrible. If your Doctor feels you need one, you should get one. Those are diagnostic tools and to wait over 6 months could allow something to go undetected.

So sorry you are going through this, I hope it all works out for you.
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Linda_Runs wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:17 am
Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:32 pm

Wow! For all of the issues we complain about here, they're nothing like this. That sounds incredibly frustrating, not to mention dangerous.

Thank you for taking the time to put together such a thorough, thoughtful response Linda.
This is an interesting follow-up from my posts on this topic. As I mentioned, where I live we have universal (I use that term very loosely) healthcare. Because we do, we are at the mercy of the government in how they fund all medical procedures. I found out yesterday that I need an upper endoscopy. Because of years of unnecessary procedures because they are "free" to the patient, they were being abused. So, the government reduce funding to those procedures.

Now, I am on an approximately six month waiting list to get on a waiting list to get an endoscopy. Unless I find a private clinic and pay the $1,500 to $3,000, I probably will not get one under medicare before 2020 unless it is an emergency.
I couldn't even imagine. I hope everything is ok Linda. How frustrating for you. :(
The doctor is not sure, but I might have a small ulcer in the top of my stomach. There could be many reasons, or a combination of reasons such as stress, wine or the H. pylori bacteria which is responsible for ulcers 80 percent of the time. I did a blood test yesterday, but even that has a 10 day turnaround time as the labs are swamped.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:51 pm
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Valentina327 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:11 am

And things get shittier. They can't run the things they're supposed to properly. I definitely don't want them involved any deeper in something as important as my very life. Enough had been wrecked already with Obama care.
They do a pretty good job with the military, except for those "$600" toilet seats and hammers. ;-/

But at the same time, we cannot allow the robber baron days to continue either.
Do you think the VA and Tri-Care are managed pretty good?
It's hit and miss, but overall (in my experience) I will say yes.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:51 pm
CockatooCrazyColt529 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:16 am

They do a pretty good job with the military, except for those "$600" toilet seats and hammers. ;-/

But at the same time, we cannot allow the robber baron days to continue either.
Do you think the VA and Tri-Care are managed pretty good?
It's hit and miss, but overall (in my experience) I will say yes.
I’m still annoyed it took 3 years for my son to get an appointment after returning from deployment and struggling. He requested help for PTSD and was put on a waiting list for about 2 years then his appointment was 8 months away. With that proxy, it’s understandable that we see 22 suicides per day in the veteran community. Completely unacceptable.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:52 am
jas wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:42 am
KnotaDinghy wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:51 pm

Do you think the VA and Tri-Care are managed pretty good?
It's hit and miss, but overall (in my experience) I will say yes.
I’m still annoyed it took 3 years for my son to get an appointment after returning from deployment and struggling. He requested help for PTSD and was put on a waiting list for about 2 years then his appointment was 8 months away. With that proxy, it’s understandable that we see 22 suicides per day in the veteran community. Completely unacceptable.
That's beyond unacceptable. But there's money for California to provide free healthcare to the criminals that sneak over our border, ignoring our laws. Funny, no one talks about the cruelty of this type of thing that happens all the time to our heros, but we have to hear ad nauseam about the cruelty of "kids in cages". Absurd and infuriating.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:52 am
jas wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:42 am
KnotaDinghy wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:51 pm

Do you think the VA and Tri-Care are managed pretty good?
It's hit and miss, but overall (in my experience) I will say yes.
I’m still annoyed it took 3 years for my son to get an appointment after returning from deployment and struggling. He requested help for PTSD and was put on a waiting list for about 2 years then his appointment was 8 months away. With that proxy, it’s understandable that we see 22 suicides per day in the veteran community. Completely unacceptable.
That’s awful.
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