Conservatives don’t hate “socialism “, they hate equality

[KnotaDinghy]

I’m not against equality, are you? I am however against equality by forced redistribution of other people’s money.

As for fiscal, I support redistribution of funds in the form of taxes spread to government programs that provide for the betterment of the community I live.

But no I don’t support socialism at all.

That's what socialism is. No one is talking about eliminating capitalism or the government taking over private companies. I don't understand what is so hard to understand. I do understand not agreeing with Sanders ideas but conservatives have to stop sounding like 120 year old men who only knew dictator-type socialism.

Sigh.

There is a vast difference between Socialism and a Government sponsored social program or a local government collecting money from taxes to pay for (say) infrastructure improvements (say) on bridges.

I thought you understood this.

[Della]

Proud American Farmers were given $ 7,700,000,000 in government handouts in 2018 to keep them from financial ruin after their businesses were hurt by Trump's failed trade war with China.

How does that socialism taste?

No, that's not socialism, that's a redistribution of funds for the betterment of the community.

socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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Did the government take control and ownership of farms?

[Della]

Considering half of U.S. households have an annual income of 50 thousand or less, I question how all these members are above that threshold.

[Deleted User 1344]

No, that's not socialism, that's a redistribution of funds for the betterment of the community.

socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
????

Did the government take control and ownership of farms?

Wouldn’t that be a communist government?

[Della]

socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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Did the government take control and ownership of farms?

Wouldn’t that be a communist government?

What is Sanders, for example, saying about who controls production - communities or the government? How would communities or communes/councils control private enterprise? Should they?

If I build a real estate company, should that business be controlled by me and my staff, or should you and everyone else get a say in it?

[Lemons]

As for fiscal, I support redistribution of funds in the form of taxes spread to government programs that provide for the betterment of the community I live.

But no I don’t support socialism at all.

That's what socialism is. No one is talking about eliminating capitalism or the government taking over private companies. I don't understand what is so hard to understand. I do understand not agreeing with Sanders ideas but conservatives have to stop sounding like 120 year old men who only knew dictator-type socialism.

Sigh.

There is a vast difference between Socialism and a Government sponsored social program or a local government collecting money from taxes to pay for (say) infrastructure improvements (say) on bridges.

I thought you understood this.

Americans are still the only democratic country in the world who has a portion of citizens who fear the word socialism.

Bernie Sanders :

“What democratic socialism essentially means to me is completing the vision that Franklin Delano Roosevelt started some 85 years ago, and that is to go forward in the wealthiest country in the history of the world and guarantee a decent economic standard of living in life for all of our people,” he said. “And to do that, obviously we have to combat oligarchy and the incredibly unfair and unequal distribution of wealth and income, and to take on the incredible political power that the 1 percent have.”

The policies Mr. Sanders supports — like single-payer health care, free public college, and higher taxes on the wealthy to fund safety-net programs — are also standard in social democracies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/us/p ... story.html

There are extremists on both sides. The extreme left minority thinks all government is evil. The extreme right minority thinks the government is evil too but in a different way. In between the extremists there's room for democratic socialist. And it has nothing to do with the government taking over private anything.

[Lemons]

Did the government take control and ownership of farms?

Wouldn’t that be a communist government?

What is Sanders, for example, saying about who controls production - communities or the government? How would communities or communes/councils control private enterprise? Should they?

If I build a real estate company, should that business be controlled by me and my staff, or should you and everyone else get a say in it?

Why would the government want a say in a real estate company? Some think the workers should have more of a say not just the owners. Not the government though.

[KnotaDinghy]

That's what socialism is. No one is talking about eliminating capitalism or the government taking over private companies. I don't understand what is so hard to understand. I do understand not agreeing with Sanders ideas but conservatives have to stop sounding like 120 year old men who only knew dictator-type socialism.

Sigh.

There is a vast difference between Socialism and a Government sponsored social program or a local government collecting money from taxes to pay for (say) infrastructure improvements (say) on bridges.

I thought you understood this.

Americans are still the only democratic country in the world who has a portion of citizens who fear the word socialism.

Bernie Sanders :

“What democratic socialism essentially means to me is completing the vision that Franklin Delano Roosevelt started some 85 years ago, and that is to go forward in the wealthiest country in the history of the world and guarantee a decent economic standard of living in life for all of our people,” he said. “And to do that, obviously we have to combat oligarchy and the incredibly unfair and unequal distribution of wealth and income, and to take on the incredible political power that the 1 percent have.”

The policies Mr. Sanders supports — like single-payer health care, free public college, and higher taxes on the wealthy to fund safety-net programs — are also standard in social democracies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/us/p ... story.html

There are extremists on both sides. The extreme left minority thinks all government is evil. The extreme right minority thinks the government is evil too but in a different way. In between the extremists there's room for democratic socialist. And it has nothing to do with the government taking over private anything.

There is a difference between Democratic Socialism, Socialism and Capitalism.

Keep up.

[Valentina327]

As you were a conservative for so long, and you have conservative family members, do you agree with this at all? You think conservatives are against equality??

I’m not against equality, are you? I am however against equality by forced redistribution of other people’s money.

That's entitlement.

Equality does not equal entitlement.
Equal treatment doesn't equal special treatment.
Criticism does not equal racism.

I think we need to provide a little primer for the left. They keep confusing their words.

[Lemons]

Sigh.

There is a vast difference between Socialism and a Government sponsored social program or a local government collecting money from taxes to pay for (say) infrastructure improvements (say) on bridges.

I thought you understood this.

Americans are still the only democratic country in the world who has a portion of citizens who fear the word socialism.

Bernie Sanders :

“What democratic socialism essentially means to me is completing the vision that Franklin Delano Roosevelt started some 85 years ago, and that is to go forward in the wealthiest country in the history of the world and guarantee a decent economic standard of living in life for all of our people,” he said. “And to do that, obviously we have to combat oligarchy and the incredibly unfair and unequal distribution of wealth and income, and to take on the incredible political power that the 1 percent have.”

The policies Mr. Sanders supports — like single-payer health care, free public college, and higher taxes on the wealthy to fund safety-net programs — are also standard in social democracies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/us/p ... story.html

There are extremists on both sides. The extreme left minority thinks all government is evil. The extreme right minority thinks the government is evil too but in a different way. In between the extremists there's room for democratic socialist. And it has nothing to do with the government taking over private anything.

There is a difference between Democratic Socialism, Socialism and Capitalism.

Keep up.

Wow. That’s news to me!


There are no successful 100% socialist countries or 100% capitalist countries. The biggest winners of more socialist programs are the middle class.

Right now the poor receive Medicaid and the rich buy into private doctor plans where people pay doctors a large monthly fee and the doctor only accepts a small amount of patients. The middle class struggle with yearly increases in medical bills with no solution in site.

Right now daycare is subsidized for the poor and the rich have no problem paying $1,000 per week for daycare. The middle class struggle with tuition.

Right now poor kids get college grants and financial aid. Rich can pay $60,000 per year no problem. It’s the middle class that take out all the student loans.

But somehow a whole lot of families making under $250,000 per year think they are coming after their money. In reality they would benefit the most.