Conservatives don’t hate “socialism “, they hate equality

[Momto2boys973]

I agree with this.
I think one of the problems we have in modern western society is relating to the kinds of “work” we pay more for. I think it’s ridiculous that athletes and actors earn millions and millions a year while teachers, paramedics, police officers and firefighters are making 5-figure salaries. So “working hard” is a relative term. For the most part, those that work the hardest are usually paid less.
But that has been the system for a long time. Ultimately, we set a value to each job and you said it perfectly- people should work for what they want, not expect those who do to provide them with it.

Here's a hard truth that no one wants to accept: you cannot make someone "equal" by forcing another person who has worked for what they have to turn around and just give what they worked for to another person who has done nothing except to sit with their hands out waiting for other people to fill them. That is the definition of slavery, which was abolished many years ago. No one has any right to expect or demand that others provide them with any given standard of living - if they want it, they should work for it, and if they're not willing to work for it, they don't deserve to have it.

[Deleted User 1344]

Well said!

I agree with this.
I think one of the problems we have in modern western society is relating to the kinds of “work” we pay more for. I think it’s ridiculous that athletes and actors earn millions and millions a year while teachers, paramedics, police officers and firefighters are making 5-figure salaries. So “working hard” is a relative term. For the most part, those that work the hardest are usually paid less.
But that has been the system for a long time. Ultimately, we set a value to each job and you said it perfectly- people should work for what they want, not expect those who do to provide them with it.

Here's a hard truth that no one wants to accept: you cannot make someone "equal" by forcing another person who has worked for what they have to turn around and just give what they worked for to another person who has done nothing except to sit with their hands out waiting for other people to fill them. That is the definition of slavery, which was abolished many years ago. No one has any right to expect or demand that others provide them with any given standard of living - if they want it, they should work for it, and if they're not willing to work for it, they don't deserve to have it.

[KnotaDinghy]

As you were a conservative for so long, and you have conservative family members, do you agree with this at all? You think conservatives are against equality??

I’m not against equality, are you? I am however against equality by forced redistribution of other people’s money.

I’m not against social inequality at all.
As for fiscal, I support redistribution of funds in the form of taxes spread to government programs that provide for the betterment of the community I live.

But no I don’t support socialism at all.

[AnonXxdarkfoxx1]

Proud American Farmers were given $ 7,700,000,000 in government handouts in 2018 to keep them from financial ruin after their businesses were hurt by Trump's failed trade war with China.

How does that socialism taste?

[Lemons]

As you were a conservative for so long, and you have conservative family members, do you agree with this at all? You think conservatives are against equality??

I’m not against equality, are you? I am however against equality by forced redistribution of other people’s money.

As for fiscal, I support redistribution of funds in the form of taxes spread to government programs that provide for the betterment of the community I live.

But no I don’t support socialism at all.

That's what socialism is. No one is talking about eliminating capitalism or the government taking over private companies. I don't understand what is so hard to understand. I do understand not agreeing with Sanders ideas but conservatives have to stop sounding like 120 year old men who only knew dictator-type socialism.

[Lemons]

Proud American Farmers were given $ 7,700,000,000 in government handouts in 2018 to keep them from financial ruin after their businesses were hurt by Trump's failed trade war with China.

How does that socialism taste?

No, that's not socialism, that's a redistribution of funds for the betterment of the community.

[AnonXxdarkfoxx1]

Proud American Farmers were given $ 7,700,000,000 in government handouts in 2018 to keep them from financial ruin after their businesses were hurt by Trump's failed trade war with China.

How does that socialism taste?

No, that's not socialism, that's a redistribution of funds for the betterment of the community.

socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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[29again]

Common misconception. It's about everyone paying higher taxes and contributing to programs that benefit everyone. And there are always people who work harder than you and have a much higher income than you and pay much more in taxes than you. That's not the point.

So what is the point? I’m firmly agianst higher taxes to fund programs for all. I actually think there should be more strict qualifications to even qualify for public programs. More Limited time frames and drug testing before hand.

The point is you have everyone contributing and you have a successful well run country. You have a well run health care system where everyone receives health care.

The point is people like you would probably benefit from more social programs. Plus we have higher rates of poverty in this country than the European democratic socialist countries which means more of our tax money goes to people who don't contribute anything.

I hope you didn't mean for that to be as condescending as it sounds!

Higher rates of poverty mean a lot more in taxes being taken. Which then leads to even higher rates of poverty. It's an endless, vicious circle. I would think raising the bar for who deserves help would do more to get people out of poverty, by making them do more to help themselves. Why is it acceptable that some people are "allowed" to sit on their ass all day every day doing nothing and get a check from the taxpayers...

[Lemons]

So what is the point? I’m firmly agianst higher taxes to fund programs for all. I actually think there should be more strict qualifications to even qualify for public programs. More Limited time frames and drug testing before hand.

The point is you have everyone contributing and you have a successful well run country. You have a well run health care system where everyone receives health care.

The point is people like you would probably benefit from more social programs. Plus we have higher rates of poverty in this country than the European democratic socialist countries which means more of our tax money goes to people who don't contribute anything.

. Why is it acceptable that some people are "allowed" to sit on their ass all day every day doing nothing and get a check from the taxpayers...

I don't think it is. I've never heard of a program that pays people who don't want to work.

[29again]

The point is you have everyone contributing and you have a successful well run country. You have a well run health care system where everyone receives health care.

The point is people like you would probably benefit from more social programs. Plus we have higher rates of poverty in this country than the European democratic socialist countries which means more of our tax money goes to people who don't contribute anything.

. Why is it acceptable that some people are "allowed" to sit on their ass all day every day doing nothing and get a check from the taxpayers...

I don't think it is. I've never heard of a program that pays people who don't want to work.

And that is why we have (still!) generational welfare. Granted, not quite as much, but it still exists. And then people get disability (SSI) for absolutely ridiculous reasons. Overweight? Get on SSI. Have ADHD? Get SSI. I know this because people are quite willing to talk about these things to perfect strangers! Oh, and then there is workman's comp fraud. Basically, if you know how to work the system, you can get paid without even getting out of bed if you don't want to.