Missouri has joined the ranks

[morgan]

The bill does not do that.

Can you explain what you think the bill says?

I guess I felt Lexy was being blase about the law. Nobody wants or requests an abortion up until the moment of birth. That is overly inflammatory language that hides the crux of this bill, which is that late-term abortions require fetal inviability or protection of the mother's health. I grant you, the "mother's health" exemption is somewhat vague, but late-term abortions are so rare, by the time one is necessary, "health" is pretty well-defined. She, IMO, made it sound like people just can request abortions willy-nilly, at any time, when all this truly does is codify Roe v. Wade in New York State law.

How can one be blase about something so black and white? She said the bill allows abortion up until the moment of birth. You said it does not. You are incorrect.

[Momto2boys973]

I agree.
But it seems to be the environment in America right now in every issue, not just abortion. Extremists each pulling to their side with to intention of finding a healthy middle ground.

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

[jessilin0113]

Can you explain what you think the bill says?

I guess I felt Lexy was being blase about the law. Nobody wants or requests an abortion up until the moment of birth. That is overly inflammatory language that hides the crux of this bill, which is that late-term abortions require fetal inviability or protection of the mother's health. I grant you, the "mother's health" exemption is somewhat vague, but late-term abortions are so rare, by the time one is necessary, "health" is pretty well-defined. She, IMO, made it sound like people just can request abortions willy-nilly, at any time, when all this truly does is codify Roe v. Wade in New York State law.

How can one be blase about something so black and white? She said the bill allows abortion up until the moment of birth. You said it does not. You are incorrect.

It allows it with several exceptions. I already said it was possible I was allowing my own interpretation to cloud what she was saying. Yes, you can technically get an abortion up until the moment of birth, IF the health/viability criteria are met. That's an important distinction.

[morgan]

I guess I felt Lexy was being blase about the law. Nobody wants or requests an abortion up until the moment of birth. That is overly inflammatory language that hides the crux of this bill, which is that late-term abortions require fetal inviability or protection of the mother's health. I grant you, the "mother's health" exemption is somewhat vague, but late-term abortions are so rare, by the time one is necessary, "health" is pretty well-defined. She, IMO, made it sound like people just can request abortions willy-nilly, at any time, when all this truly does is codify Roe v. Wade in New York State law.

How can one be blase about something so black and white? She said the bill allows abortion up until the moment of birth. You said it does not. You are incorrect.

It allows it with several exceptions. I already said it was possible I was allowing my own interpretation to cloud what she was saying. Yes, you can technically get an abortion up until the moment of birth, IF the health/viability criteria are met. That's an important distinction.

Like the woman deciding in the 9th month that she's too emotionally unstable to be a mother?

[jessilin0113]

How can one be blase about something so black and white? She said the bill allows abortion up until the moment of birth. You said it does not. You are incorrect.

It allows it with several exceptions. I already said it was possible I was allowing my own interpretation to cloud what she was saying. Yes, you can technically get an abortion up until the moment of birth, IF the health/viability criteria are met. That's an important distinction.

Like the woman deciding in the 9th month that she's too emotionally unstable to be a mother?

Yeah, we both know that doesn't happen. And unless a doctor signs off on it, it's a moot point.

[morgan]

It allows it with several exceptions. I already said it was possible I was allowing my own interpretation to cloud what she was saying. Yes, you can technically get an abortion up until the moment of birth, IF the health/viability criteria are met. That's an important distinction.

Like the woman deciding in the 9th month that she's too emotionally unstable to be a mother?

Yeah, we both know that doesn't happen. And unless a doctor signs off on it, it's a moot point.

It's not a moot point. It's part of the law. It can happen. And I guarantee you, it will.

[jessilin0113]

Like the woman deciding in the 9th month that she's too emotionally unstable to be a mother?

Yeah, we both know that doesn't happen. And unless a doctor signs off on it, it's a moot point.

It's not a moot point. It's part of the law. It can happen. And I guarantee you, it will.

You think a credible, licensed doctor will sign off and perform an abortion in the 9th month because a woman suddenly, and with all proper documentation, doesn't want to be a mother?

[Lexy]

It allows it with several exceptions. I already said it was possible I was allowing my own interpretation to cloud what she was saying. Yes, you can technically get an abortion up until the moment of birth, IF the health/viability criteria are met. That's an important distinction.

Like the woman deciding in the 9th month that she's too emotionally unstable to be a mother?

Yeah, we both know that doesn't happen. And unless a doctor signs off on it, it's a moot point.

In NY a mid wife can sign off on it.

[morgan]

Yeah, we both know that doesn't happen. And unless a doctor signs off on it, it's a moot point.

It's not a moot point. It's part of the law. It can happen. And I guarantee you, it will.

You think a credible, licensed doctor will sign off and perform an abortion in the 9th month because a woman suddenly, and with all proper documentation, doesn't want to be a mother?

Yes. Although I wouldn't call him/her credible.

[Lexy]

Yeah, we both know that doesn't happen. And unless a doctor signs off on it, it's a moot point.

It's not a moot point. It's part of the law. It can happen. And I guarantee you, it will.

You think a credible, licensed doctor will sign off and perform an abortion in the 9th month because a woman suddenly, and with all proper documentation, doesn't want to be a mother?

It expands the list of health care professionals who can perform abortions beyond physicians to also encompass highly trained nurse practitioners, licensed midwives, and physician assistants.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-y ... ons-birth/