Michigan can suspend poor people's driver's licenses for unpaid fines: U.S. appeals court

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Billie.jeens wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:20 am
Francee89 wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 9:42 pm
ReadingRainbow wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 7:58 pm Ok. But absolutely everyone who drives has the option of not speeding. Everyone has the option of using their blinker.

While ok... jackasses might park in the handicapped spot and get a ticket for it, everyone has the option of parking a little farther away if they don't have a disability.




For sure, but the point QOE is making is that the consequences for having these fines are disproportionately burdensome on the poor. If I get a $40 parking ticket, I’m momentarily irritated but it’s not the end of the world. For someone that can’t afford the $40 and who might incur late fees on the $40 they couldn’t afford in the first place trying to save up to pay for it, it’s a huge deal. Obviously people of every socioeconomic status have the option of obeying the regulations in the first place, but the consequences of not doing so are much more severe on the poor.
Everything hurts the poor more
As it should
It's an incentive not to be poor
As it should? An incentive not to be poor? Seriously?
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If you can't afford the fine don't do the crime. I could afford a fine but I don't want to pay one so I don't park or drive illegally. I do accidentally speed once in a while, if I got pulled over then I face the consequences. Every singe person has the option to no break the law.
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PoplarGrove wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:43 am
Billie.jeens wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:20 am
Francee89 wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 9:42 pm

For sure, but the point QOE is making is that the consequences for having these fines are disproportionately burdensome on the poor. If I get a $40 parking ticket, I’m momentarily irritated but it’s not the end of the world. For someone that can’t afford the $40 and who might incur late fees on the $40 they couldn’t afford in the first place trying to save up to pay for it, it’s a huge deal. Obviously people of every socioeconomic status have the option of obeying the regulations in the first place, but the consequences of not doing so are much more severe on the poor.
Everything hurts the poor more
As it should
It's an incentive not to be poor
As it should? An incentive not to be poor? Seriously?
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We should have different roads for the poor whoers and the rich bitches.

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CockatooCrazyColt529 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 12:23 pm We should have different roads for the poor whoers and the rich bitches.

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Rich people pay for all the infrastructure.
So it won't really matter.
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Billie.jeens wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:20 am
Francee89 wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 9:42 pm
ReadingRainbow wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 7:58 pm Ok. But absolutely everyone who drives has the option of not speeding. Everyone has the option of using their blinker.

While ok... jackasses might park in the handicapped spot and get a ticket for it, everyone has the option of parking a little farther away if they don't have a disability.




For sure, but the point QOE is making is that the consequences for having these fines are disproportionately burdensome on the poor. If I get a $40 parking ticket, I’m momentarily irritated but it’s not the end of the world. For someone that can’t afford the $40 and who might incur late fees on the $40 they couldn’t afford in the first place trying to save up to pay for it, it’s a huge deal. Obviously people of every socioeconomic status have the option of obeying the regulations in the first place, but the consequences of not doing so are much more severe on the poor.
Everything hurts the poor more
As it should
It's an incentive not to be poor
If the point of things like parking and traffic tickets are to deter illegal actions, having them actually be an incentive to not speed or park illegally for everyone would seem to be the most effective.
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Francee89 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 2:30 pm
Billie.jeens wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:20 am
Francee89 wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 9:42 pm

For sure, but the point QOE is making is that the consequences for having these fines are disproportionately burdensome on the poor. If I get a $40 parking ticket, I’m momentarily irritated but it’s not the end of the world. For someone that can’t afford the $40 and who might incur late fees on the $40 they couldn’t afford in the first place trying to save up to pay for it, it’s a huge deal. Obviously people of every socioeconomic status have the option of obeying the regulations in the first place, but the consequences of not doing so are much more severe on the poor.
Everything hurts the poor more
As it should
It's an incentive not to be poor
If the point of things like parking and traffic tickets are to deter illegal actions, having them actually be an incentive to not speed or park illegally for everyone would seem to be the most effective.
So you, I, and the court agree that being poor should not make you exempt.
Excellent.
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Billie.jeens wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 2:33 pm
Francee89 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 2:30 pm
Billie.jeens wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:20 am

Everything hurts the poor more
As it should
It's an incentive not to be poor
If the point of things like parking and traffic tickets are to deter illegal actions, having them actually be an incentive to not speed or park illegally for everyone would seem to be the most effective.
So you, I, and the court agree that being poor should not make you exempt.
Excellent.
I certainly haven’t argued that they should be exempt, just that I think fines should be within a range, set proportionate to income.
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Francee89 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 2:36 pm
Billie.jeens wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 2:33 pm
Francee89 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 2:30 pm

If the point of things like parking and traffic tickets are to deter illegal actions, having them actually be an incentive to not speed or park illegally for everyone would seem to be the most effective.
So you, I, and the court agree that being poor should not make you exempt.
Excellent.
I certainly haven’t argued that they should be exempt, just that I think fines should be within a range, set proportionate to income.
Should prices be set for everything in that manner?
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Okay, I am fine with this. Don't get fines if you can't pay them.
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