Prosecuting a 101 year old man
After reading all the comments, I can see trying and convicting him. I just can't see actually putting him in prison unless it's a hospital or something of the sort.
I can tell you without a shred of doubt in my mind that I would rather be shot than do what these people did to other human beings. These tragedies occur solely because people don't band together and stand up when they know something is outrageously morally repugnant. If these soldiers would have said no, this tragedy would NEVER have happened. There's not a more infuriating excuse than "I was just doing what I was told". How much damage has been wrought in the world by that single sentence. Compliance kills time and again.Frau Holle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 amAsk yourself what happened to an American or British soldier who leaves, or refuses to follow orders. It’s called either desertion or cowardice , and you were shot to death. In Germany, you and your family and children were shot to death.Anonymous 2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:05 amNuremberg defense?Frau Holle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:01 am I think Americans overlook what it means to be in the military, and what it means to be conscripted.
I think if you’re going to go by laws that expect a more moral behavior from soldiers than is expected from those giving them the orders, you have to come up with a more moral way for them to refuse orders without risking death either way.
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I’m not disagreeing, I’m saying it would happen more often if compliance or death was not the only choice one can make.Anonymous 4 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:56 pmI can tell you without a shred of doubt in my mind that I would rather be shot than do what these people did to other human beings. These tragedies occur solely because people don't band together and stand up when they know something is outrageously morally repugnant. If these soldiers would have said no, this tragedy would NEVER have happened. There's not a more infuriating excuse than "I was just doing what I was told". How much damage has been wrought in the world by that single sentence. Compliance kills time and again.Frau Holle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 amAsk yourself what happened to an American or British soldier who leaves, or refuses to follow orders. It’s called either desertion or cowardice , and you were shot to death. In Germany, you and your family and children were shot to death.
I think if you’re going to go by laws that expect a more moral behavior from soldiers than is expected from those giving them the orders, you have to come up with a more moral way for them to refuse orders without risking death either way.
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Valid point. It's highly effective at keeping the serfs in line, as we see!Frau Holle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:23 pmI’m not disagreeing, I’m saying it would happen more often if compliance or death was not the only choice one can make.Anonymous 4 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:56 pmI can tell you without a shred of doubt in my mind that I would rather be shot than do what these people did to other human beings. These tragedies occur solely because people don't band together and stand up when they know something is outrageously morally repugnant. If these soldiers would have said no, this tragedy would NEVER have happened. There's not a more infuriating excuse than "I was just doing what I was told". How much damage has been wrought in the world by that single sentence. Compliance kills time and again.Frau Holle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 am
Ask yourself what happened to an American or British soldier who leaves, or refuses to follow orders. It’s called either desertion or cowardice , and you were shot to death. In Germany, you and your family and children were shot to death.
I think if you’re going to go by laws that expect a more moral behavior from soldiers than is expected from those giving them the orders, you have to come up with a more moral way for them to refuse orders without risking death either way.
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I think, when he was a concentration camp guard, he would have had no hesitation in killing a 101-year-old Jew.Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:49 am A 101-year-old man was convicted in Germany of 3,518 counts of accessory to murder on Tuesday for serving at the Nazis' Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II. He was sentenced to five years in prison.
What do you think about prosecuting and imprisoning a very old person?
It is, in this case, not so much about protecting society from him, or even justice. It is about sending a message, to future generations "Do this sort of shit, and you'll be hunted the rest of your life. You will never know peace."
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Prosecute him and if he’s found guilty: off to prison. Age does not deny what he did.
And while we’re on the topic of prosecuting and imprisoning the elderly: Arrest and prosecute Carolyn Bryant Donham!!! They just found the 67 year old arrest warrant for her in a Mississippi basement.
And while we’re on the topic of prosecuting and imprisoning the elderly: Arrest and prosecute Carolyn Bryant Donham!!! They just found the 67 year old arrest warrant for her in a Mississippi basement.
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Yes!SoFloMom wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:51 pm Prosecute him and if he’s found guilty: off to prison. Age does not deny what he did.
And while we’re on the topic of prosecuting and imprisoning the elderly: Arrest and prosecute Carolyn Bryant Donham!!! They just found the 67 year old arrest warrant for her in a Mississippi basement.
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He was already tried and sentenced by the Neuruppin Regional Court.SoFloMom wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:51 pm Prosecute him and if he’s found guilty: off to prison. Age does not deny what he did.
And while we’re on the topic of prosecuting and imprisoning the elderly: Arrest and prosecute Carolyn Bryant Donham!!! They just found the 67 year old arrest warrant for her in a Mississippi basement.
Sorry accidentally hit submit. I 100% agree on Donham. It’s not double jeopardy she wasn’t charged in the original case, no double jeopardy.