Prosecuting a 101 year old man

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AZOldCoot wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:06 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:49 am A 101-year-old man was convicted in Germany of 3,518 counts of accessory to murder on Tuesday for serving at the Nazis' Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II. He was sentenced to five years in prison.

What do you think about prosecuting and imprisoning a very old person?
Is there any way to link the story?

Is/was house arrest an option?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ed-prison/

ETA: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/11081213 ... nazi-guard

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mommy_jules wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:32 am
AZOldCoot wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:06 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:49 am A 101-year-old man was convicted in Germany of 3,518 counts of accessory to murder on Tuesday for serving at the Nazis' Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II. He was sentenced to five years in prison.

What do you think about prosecuting and imprisoning a very old person?
Is there any way to link the story?

Is/was house arrest an option?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ed-prison/

ETA: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/11081213 ... nazi-guard

This one doesn’t have a paywall.
Thanks!!
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mommy_jules wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:32 am
AZOldCoot wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:06 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:49 am A 101-year-old man was convicted in Germany of 3,518 counts of accessory to murder on Tuesday for serving at the Nazis' Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II. He was sentenced to five years in prison.

What do you think about prosecuting and imprisoning a very old person?
Is there any way to link the story?

Is/was house arrest an option?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ed-prison/

ETA: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/11081213 ... nazi-guard

This one doesn’t have a paywall.
It was the one from npr. Thank you for adding!
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Every soldier belongs in prison. Its their job to kill people.
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Frau Holle wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 am
Anonymous 2 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:05 am
Frau Holle wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:01 am I think Americans overlook what it means to be in the military, and what it means to be conscripted.
Nuremberg defense?
Ask yourself what happened to an American or British soldier who leaves, or refuses to follow orders. It’s called either desertion or cowardice , and you were shot to death. In Germany, you and your family and children were shot to death.

I think if you’re going to go by laws that expect a more moral behavior from soldiers than is expected from those giving them the orders, you have to come up with a more moral way for them to refuse orders without risking death either way.
The man in question wasn't claiming that he was just following orders. He claimed that he wasn't there and wasn't a soldier and it was proved that he was in fact a guard at the concentration camp for 3 years.

"Just following orders" is not a defense when charged with war crimes. It's just not nor should it be.
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Anonymous 2 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:50 am
Frau Holle wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 am
Anonymous 2 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:05 am

Nuremberg defense?
Ask yourself what happened to an American or British soldier who leaves, or refuses to follow orders. It’s called either desertion or cowardice , and you were shot to death. In Germany, you and your family and children were shot to death.

I think if you’re going to go by laws that expect a more moral behavior from soldiers than is expected from those giving them the orders, you have to come up with a more moral way for them to refuse orders without risking death either way.
The man in question wasn't claiming that he was just following orders. He claimed that he wasn't there and wasn't a soldier and it was proved that he was in fact a guard at the concentration camp for 3 years.

"Just following orders" is not a defense when charged with war crimes. It's just not nor should it be.
I agree, it’s not a defense. But if a nation is a moral one, they should allow for a military in which death is not the penalty for not following orders.
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Anonymous 2 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:50 am
Frau Holle wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 am
Anonymous 2 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:05 am

Nuremberg defense?
Ask yourself what happened to an American or British soldier who leaves, or refuses to follow orders. It’s called either desertion or cowardice , and you were shot to death. In Germany, you and your family and children were shot to death.

I think if you’re going to go by laws that expect a more moral behavior from soldiers than is expected from those giving them the orders, you have to come up with a more moral way for them to refuse orders without risking death either way.
The man in question wasn't claiming that he was just following orders. He claimed that he wasn't there and wasn't a soldier and it was proved that he was in fact a guard at the concentration camp for 3 years.

"Just following orders" is not a defense when charged with war crimes. It's just not nor should it be.
Proved? He said he didn't work there, the courts said they had papers with the same name, birthday and city he came from in it so that was proof enough.

You know how many people have the same name as me? Thousands.
How many lived in L.A. with me? Hundreds.
I hope none of them have the same birthday as me, that'd be proof I was living their life too.
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Let’s say this same person raped 1 woman, or killed a child would his age matter then?

I have no problem with a youth, middle age or senior answering for crimes for which they have been found guilty.


Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:49 am A 101-year-old man was convicted in Germany of 3,518 counts of accessory to murder on Tuesday for serving at the Nazis' Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II. He was sentenced to five years in prison.

What do you think about prosecuting and imprisoning a very old person?
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carterscutie85 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:37 am Do the crime do the time regardless of age. What if this 101 year old man took a stack of Viagra and went on a raping spree? Would that be any different? Not to me.

I went to school with someone who downloaded CSAM. His Mom took the blame. She didn't go to prison because she had so many health issues that it was cheaper for them to have her on house arrest. I didn't agree with that. She should have rotted with the rest of the pervs.
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Frau Holle wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:01 am I think Americans overlook what it means to be in the military, and what it means to be conscripted.
Is this just a general statement? The man was sentenced by the Neuruppin Regional Court in Germany.
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