That’s the issue. Sorry, but it seems these self proclaimed “feminists” are all for supporting women… as long as that doesn’t clash with other progressive views they may have. It it does, then screw women.
The article I posted also analyzes the issue of muscle mass:
“Indeed, studies report muscle mass loss, with a 5% loss for lower limb mass or a 9.4% for total muscle mass loss after 12 months of estrogen therapy [78,79]. The loss of muscle mass did not, however, associate with loss of strength or muscle fiber density or performance”
“ The performance benefit of prior testosterone exposure for the running test is likely attributable to not only muscle mass but male skeletal architecture that, as discussed earlier includes longer limbs, a narrower pelvic structure and a greater cardiorespiratory size—all of which will not respond to changes in circulating testosterone levels in adulthood. Further to this, studies show that there is no bone mass loss in transwomen after 28–63 months of estrogen therapy”
“As discussed earlier, S*x differences in muscle mass in elite athletes can be 50–75% [30] in favor of males, thus the decrease of 5–10% reported in studies of transwomen after 1–2 years of estrogen therapy will most likely provide, at most, a modest reformatting of male muscle strength in the transwoman athlete”
“Notably, this effect can be mitigated with an exercise training program [79,84,85]. Therefore, it follows that a transwoman athlete following a high-performance training program enabling competitiveness at an elite level throughout the 12-month estrogen therapy transition period could similarly mitigate muscle mass loss”
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:47 am
The only data activists like to show is a decrease in muscle mass once on hormones…but that is not the only difference between the male and female body…
Heart size matters, how fast your heart beats matters, red blood cells matter, body fat percentages matter, bone density matters, hip size matters…
We don’t hear about female to male athletes because even if they go on testosterone, none of those advantages are given to them… so we’re not going to see them.
Then people talk about how “it’s only a small percentage “, and that’s true, but this level of athleticism is only a small percentage also. It’s not every high school kid who will be trying out for the Olympic swimming team…
The only two possibilities for why this is an issue is either
1) we have a new round of science deniers,
Or
2)
we’ve decided that inclusivity in sports is more important than fairness in sports; regardless of the consequences to women in sports.
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:38 am
And there’s not enough data to guarantee that male to female transgender athletes don’t have a physical advantage. Activists claim they don’t, but we do need more scientific proof of that. I do agree that while that happens, athletes should compete against their natural born S*x.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/
“Testosterone drives much of the enhanced athletic performance of males through in utero, early life, and adult exposure. Many anatomical S*x differences driven by testosterone are not reversible. Hemoglobin levels and muscle mass are sensitive to adult life testosterone levels, with hemoglobin being the most responsive. Studies in transgender women, and androgen-deprivation treated cancer patients, show muscle mass is retained for many months, even years, and that co-comittant exercise mitigates muscle loss. Given that sports are currently segregated into male and female divisions because of superior male athletic performance, and that estrogen therapy will not reverse most athletic performance parameters, it follows that transgender women will enter the female division with an inherent advantage because of their prior male physiology.”
I do wonder why we don’t hear of any female to male athletes, though. Anyone have examples? See how they perform in male events.
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:09 pm
Bigger, stronger, faster…. So in order to be more fair to trans people, women have to take a backseat.
We can see this happening in Women’s swimming, basketball, wrestling, golf, cycling… the list goes on.
Just, as a beginning point to this conversation, do you know why women’s sports and men’s sports were separate to begin with?