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Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:16 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:57 pm
Lexy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:54 pm
It seems like a lot of states are also going down ID verification path for other sites and apps. I doubt this will be limited to Florida.
Lol In Arkansas even adults aren’t allowed to watch porn without age verifications.
Which is fine too… all the adults had to show I’d to buy it as a video tape, cd or magazine. Why wouldn’t we have the same kind of protection online…
Judge blocks Arkansas law requiring parental OK for minors to create social media accounts
"In a 50-page ruling, Brooks said NetChoice was likely to succeed in its challenge to the Arkansas law’s constitutionality and questioned the effectiveness of the restrictions."
https://apnews.com/article/arkansas-soc ... 8f60841500
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:19 pm
by WellPreserved
Della wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:06 pm
Lexy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:54 pm
It seems like a lot of states are also going down ID verification path for other sites and apps. I doubt this will be limited to Florida.
"As NetChoice explained in our testimony, public statements and veto letter to Gov. DeSantis, HB 3 in effect will impose an “I.D. for the Internet” on any Floridian who wants to use an online service—no matter their age. To be able to determine (1) whether a user in Florida is under the age of 14 and (2) whether the adult doing the verifying a minor over the age of 14 is truly that child’s parent or guardian, online services will need to conduct identity verification."
https://netchoice.org/gov-desantis-indi ... s-privacy/
I'll wait.
This is exactly my problem with this law. There is too much of a risk of a breech of personal data. Of course individuals in some states run that risk when viewing porn or buying alcohol on line and I equate that to being carded in a brick & mortar store. I know that if this ever becomes federal or Virginia state law, I’m not scanning and sending my id to meta, lol. I am shocked that others would have no problem doing this.
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:29 pm
by Della
RIZZY wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:52 pm
I haven't read the article, but I can tell you, I believe that the focus should be on the apps and the companies who create and develop them. There are more than enough resources and technology out there which can help limit access to social media for young users, and which can control what kind of content they are exposed to. They just don't want to spend the money. Good, ethical business is not cheap.
Current standard for age verification is to enter your birthday. Any dumb ass kid can simply input an older birthday. And while I agree that it is still a parent's responsibility, the odds are stacked against us. I think it is time we start asking for ethics in business.
I despise DeSantis and I don't believe he does anything altruistically but this is definitely an interesting concept addressing a serious issue.
I believe he's mired in the Seven Mountains Mandate.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-p ... -rhetoric/
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:43 pm
by SouthernIslander
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:19 pm
Della wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:06 pm
Lexy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:54 pm
It seems like a lot of states are also going down ID verification path for other sites and apps. I doubt this will be limited to Florida.
"As NetChoice explained in our testimony, public statements and veto letter to Gov. DeSantis, HB 3 in effect will impose an “I.D. for the Internet” on any Floridian who wants to use an online service—no matter their age. To be able to determine (1) whether a user in Florida is under the age of 14 and (2) whether the adult doing the verifying a minor over the age of 14 is truly that child’s parent or guardian, online services will need to conduct identity verification."
https://netchoice.org/gov-desantis-indi ... s-privacy/
I'll wait.
This is exactly my problem with this law. There is too much of a risk of a breech of personal data. Of course individuals in some states run that risk when viewing porn or buying alcohol on line and I equate that to being carded in a brick & mortar store. I know that if this ever becomes federal or Virginia state law, I’m not scanning and sending my id to meta, lol. I am shocked that others would have no problem doing this.
Texas banned PornHub and so they just shut access down to Texas users vs. asking for users IDs for the same reason. I can see other sites making the same decision instead of taking on that risk.
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:49 pm
by Della
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:19 pm
Della wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:06 pm
Lexy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:54 pm
It seems like a lot of states are also going down ID verification path for other sites and apps. I doubt this will be limited to Florida.
"As NetChoice explained in our testimony, public statements and veto letter to Gov. DeSantis, HB 3 in effect will impose an “I.D. for the Internet” on any Floridian who wants to use an online service—no matter their age. To be able to determine (1) whether a user in Florida is under the age of 14 and (2) whether the adult doing the verifying a minor over the age of 14 is truly that child’s parent or guardian, online services will need to conduct identity verification."
https://netchoice.org/gov-desantis-indi ... s-privacy/
I'll wait.
This is exactly my problem with this law. There is too much of a risk of a breech of personal data. Of course individuals in some states run that risk when viewing porn or buying alcohol on line and I equate that to being carded in a brick & mortar store. I know that if this ever becomes federal or Virginia state law, I’m not scanning and sending my id to meta, lol. I am shocked that others would have no problem doing this.
It's flabbergasting that they are so fearful of Chinese communists being able to access our information, and then turn around and do this.
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:46 pm
by jessilin0113
Della wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:29 pm
RIZZY wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:52 pm
I haven't read the article, but I can tell you, I believe that the focus should be on the apps and the companies who create and develop them. There are more than enough resources and technology out there which can help limit access to social media for young users, and which can control what kind of content they are exposed to. They just don't want to spend the money. Good, ethical business is not cheap.
Current standard for age verification is to enter your birthday. Any dumb ass kid can simply input an older birthday. And while I agree that it is still a parent's responsibility, the odds are stacked against us. I think it is time we start asking for ethics in business.
I despise DeSantis and I don't believe he does anything altruistically but this is definitely an interesting concept addressing a serious issue.
I believe he's mired in the Seven Mountains Mandate.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-p ... -rhetoric/
Have you read The Parable of the Talents? Every day we inch closer to the future described by Butler.
This was in the DeSantis speech:
“Put on the full armor of God. Stand firm against the left’s schemes. You will face flaming arrows, but if you have the shield of faith, you will overcome them, and in Florida we walk the line here,” DeSantis told the audience at Hillsdale College in February. “And I can tell you this, I have only begun to fight.”
This is from the book after a Christian zealot (who wants to "make America great again") gets elected president:
"A strong Christian America" he said, "needs strong Christian American soldiers to reunite, rebuild, and defend it." In almost the same breath, he spoke of both "the generosity and love that we must show to one another, to all of our fellow Christian Americans," and "the destruction we must visit upon traitors and sinners, those destroyers in our midst."
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:54 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:16 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:57 pm
Lexy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:54 pm
It seems like a lot of states are also going down ID verification path for other sites and apps. I doubt this will be limited to Florida.
Lol In Arkansas even adults aren’t allowed to watch porn without age verifications.
Which is fine too… all the adults had to show I’d to buy it as a video tape, cd or magazine. Why wouldn’t we have the same kind of protection online…
Judge blocks Arkansas law requiring parental OK for minors to create social media accounts
"In a 50-page ruling, Brooks said NetChoice was likely to succeed in its challenge to the Arkansas law’s constitutionality and questioned the effectiveness of the restrictions."
https://apnews.com/article/arkansas-soc ... 8f60841500
When it comes to social media, it’s just one of those things I don’t really care about.
If they pass a law that you have to be 15, fine, if they don’t, fine. It’s just not really something that bothers me if they think about.
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:11 pm
by Della
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:46 pm
Della wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:29 pm
RIZZY wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:52 pm
I haven't read the article, but I can tell you, I believe that the focus should be on the apps and the companies who create and develop them. There are more than enough resources and technology out there which can help limit access to social media for young users, and which can control what kind of content they are exposed to. They just don't want to spend the money. Good, ethical business is not cheap.
Current standard for age verification is to enter your birthday. Any dumb ass kid can simply input an older birthday. And while I agree that it is still a parent's responsibility, the odds are stacked against us. I think it is time we start asking for ethics in business.
I despise DeSantis and I don't believe he does anything altruistically but this is definitely an interesting concept addressing a serious issue.
I believe he's mired in the Seven Mountains Mandate.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-p ... -rhetoric/
Have you read The Parable of the Talents? Every day we inch closer to the future described by Butler.
This was in the DeSantis speech:
“Put on the full armor of God. Stand firm against the left’s schemes. You will face flaming arrows, but if you have the shield of faith, you will overcome them, and in Florida we walk the line here,” DeSantis told the audience at Hillsdale College in February. “And I can tell you this, I have only begun to fight.”
This is from the book after a Christian zealot (who wants to "make America great again") gets elected president:
"A strong Christian America" he said, "needs strong Christian American soldiers to reunite, rebuild, and defend it." In almost the same breath, he spoke of both "the generosity and love that we must show to one another, to all of our fellow Christian Americans," and "the destruction we must visit upon traitors and sinners, those destroyers in our midst."
No, but that is uncanny.
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:36 pm
by Francee89
What stops teens from using a VPN to bypass regionally required age verification laws? This doesn’t really block anyone’s access if the click of a few buttons can have their IP read as if they’re in New York or Belgium. If anything, the existence of this law with some an accessible workaround seems like it would lull some parents into a false sense of security that their children couldn’t be on these sites.
Also curious about how they’d prove parental/child relationships. What stops a kid from uploading the ID of any random adult and claiming it’s their parent?
Re: Florida’s DeSantis signs one of the country’s most restrictive social media bans for minors
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:38 pm
by jessilin0113
Della wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:11 pm
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:46 pm
Have you read The Parable of the Talents? Every day we inch closer to the future described by Butler.
This was in the DeSantis speech:
“Put on the full armor of God. Stand firm against the left’s schemes. You will face flaming arrows, but if you have the shield of faith, you will overcome them, and in Florida we walk the line here,” DeSantis told the audience at Hillsdale College in February. “And I can tell you this, I have only begun to fight.”
This is from the book after a Christian zealot (who wants to "make America great again") gets elected president:
"A strong Christian America" he said, "needs strong Christian American soldiers to reunite, rebuild, and defend it." In almost the same breath, he spoke of both "the generosity and love that we must show to one another, to all of our fellow Christian Americans," and "the destruction we must visit upon traitors and sinners, those destroyers in our midst."
No, but that is uncanny.
It was written in like 1998.