How they interact w/ you on social media is exactly how they feel about you

[PixieLu3]

No one needs to take me at my word. I posted a topic for us to discuss, you can simply respond to that if you would like. Do I think it could be counted as social commentary of an academic degree? Yes. Insisting otherwise just because it's Tiktok is, indeed, snobby. But I'm also okay with this not being an academic discussion. I'm not aware of academic papers analyzing "hate following" which is, apparently, what it's called. Perhaps it just isn't of interest in the academic world yet.

I found this on PEW which we can perhaps draw conclusions from but it doesn't exactly hit hard on the topic of WHY people engage or do not engage. They cite sources, though.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/20 ... from-them/

If you're okay with a less academic source, there are dozens and dozens of articles that come up with a simple google search.

I said nothing about taking you at your word, I was just simply stating an "academic" fact of information obtained on social media is not credible, and because it's not credible you have those, like Bacon, who will essentially "call you out on your bs." Sorry if trying to help you came off as "snobby", but if that's what you "feel" it's no wonder why Bacon is clearly upsetting and "offending" you. Also, PEW is not a credible source either, but I appreciate the college effort.

I'm not upset or offended, I'm having a conversation. You did, in fact, say something about taking me at my word. The PEW research center is non partisan and is considered one of the more scholarly and generally well respected sources out there, with favorable ratings from both conservatives and liberals. The link I posted is mostly polling, it's very light on opinions and conclusions. What, exactly, do you take issue with? You're going to request academic sources and then reject one of the most reputable polling organizations out there? K.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/pew-research

Ok I see I might have to break this down a bit easier for you...
1. A credible source of information (especially in today's society) would typically include academic books, academic journals, academic papers, etc... something that is "polling" is typically simply a popular opinion (that doesn't make it factual).
2. If you weren't upset and/or offended then you wouldn't be so adamant on trying to defend yourself and wouldn't be accusatory or indirectly calling others names, like "snobby".
3. Where "in fact" did I say anything about taking you specifically at your word. Using the term YOU can, grammatically, be used as a term indicating the general population, which is what I was doing. Someone who is stating they were in academy should probably know that.

[Anonymous 1]

I said nothing about taking you at your word, I was just simply stating an "academic" fact of information obtained on social media is not credible, and because it's not credible you have those, like Bacon, who will essentially "call you out on your bs." Sorry if trying to help you came off as "snobby", but if that's what you "feel" it's no wonder why Bacon is clearly upsetting and "offending" you. Also, PEW is not a credible source either, but I appreciate the college effort.

I'm not upset or offended, I'm having a conversation. You did, in fact, say something about taking me at my word. The PEW research center is non partisan and is considered one of the more scholarly and generally well respected sources out there, with favorable ratings from both conservatives and liberals. The link I posted is mostly polling, it's very light on opinions and conclusions. What, exactly, do you take issue with? You're going to request academic sources and then reject one of the most reputable polling organizations out there? K.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/pew-research

Ok I see I might have to break this down a bit easier for you...
1. A credible source of information (especially in today's society) would typically include academic books, academic journals, academic papers, etc... something that is "polling" is typically simply a popular opinion (that doesn't make it factual).
2. If you weren't upset and/or offended then you wouldn't be so adamant on trying to defend yourself and wouldn't be accusatory or indirectly calling others names, like "snobby".
3. Where "in fact" did I say anything about taking you specifically at your word. Using the term YOU can, grammatically, be used as a term indicating the general population, which is what I was doing. Someone who is stating they were in academy should probably know that.

I underlined it. Go back and read your very first reply.

I did not state that I was "in academy." I said that this CAN be an academic discussion.

[PixieLu3]

I'm not upset or offended, I'm having a conversation. You did, in fact, say something about taking me at my word. The PEW research center is non partisan and is considered one of the more scholarly and generally well respected sources out there, with favorable ratings from both conservatives and liberals. The link I posted is mostly polling, it's very light on opinions and conclusions. What, exactly, do you take issue with? You're going to request academic sources and then reject one of the most reputable polling organizations out there? K.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/pew-research

Ok I see I might have to break this down a bit easier for you...
1. A credible source of information (especially in today's society) would typically include academic books, academic journals, academic papers, etc... something that is "polling" is typically simply a popular opinion (that doesn't make it factual).
2. If you weren't upset and/or offended then you wouldn't be so adamant on trying to defend yourself and wouldn't be accusatory or indirectly calling others names, like "snobby".
3. Where "in fact" did I say anything about taking you specifically at your word. Using the term YOU can, grammatically, be used as a term indicating the general population, which is what I was doing. Someone who is stating they were in academy should probably know that.

I underlined it. Go back and read your very first reply.

I did not state that I was "in academy." I said that this CAN be an academic discussion.

I see where the confusion is coming from. But if you read the third (3) bullet point. I did say I wasn't referring to you specifically, but rather using the term YOU as a general population. I apologize that you interpretted incorrectly. Also, did you not state to Bacon that you left academy (not a direct quote) or did we ALL read that wrong?
Look I know you are likely used to "being right" all the time or at least thinking you are, but part of a conversation is being able to admit when you are wrong (or at least misspoke) and are willing to and able to back up your position without "attacking" others who question you.
On that note I'll leave the rest up to Bacon as I have an actual life (kids and such) to get back to. I wish you well and hope you can reflect from an outsiders point of view.

[mommy_jules]

If I knew how, I would. I don't think she was encouraging people to do anything, she was making her own commentary. One reason I'm glad I left academia is the snobbiness. You can absolutely discuss academic subjects in a 30 second video, you just aren't going to do a deep dive there.

You can post a name or link. I know you can educate/discuss/etc. academic topics in TikTok videos, but that’s not what we are doing here. You are relaying your interpretation of a supposedly academic take on social media TikTok video, and we are discussing that. I didn’t say that’s what I think she is saying. I said that is my pov from the way you framed it in the OP. That’s why a name to look up the video or a link to it would be much better at clearing up anything lost in translation.

I'll go back and look through my watched videos to see if I can find it.

Yes, we're discussing my paraphrasing of her video but you automatically said it couldn't be worth analyzing because you think she's talking about an individual's social media following rather than human behavior and society in general because it's Tiktok.

I said I didn’t think it was healthy to over analyze why someone does or doesn’t engage you on social media. (I still stand by that.) That’s when I thought we are discussing individual social media usage. Now, I would like to actually view the video or at least have this lady’s name to look it up, so I can read and potentially understand what it is being discussed.

[Baconqueen13]

Yes, I do follow them. I used this an example because you and others here don't appear to believe that academia would "debase" themselves by using tiktok and that it isn't possible to have academic discourse on the app. I thought of one of the accounts which I watch most often even though it is not directly related to this topic at hand.

So you used it to try to gain clout or credibility.. and failed. Step away from the tiktok. Saying tiktok is "academic" is like saying only fans is a "companionship/dating" site.

I used it as an example that TikTok can be academic, not that the account discusses social commentary. You know that. Everyone here knows that. You're just blowing hot air. You'd get a lot of followers on TikTok, maybe you should debase yourself there instead of here.

This site would definitely die if I weren't here.

[Anonymous 3]

I'm not upset or offended, I'm having a conversation. You did, in fact, say something about taking me at my word. The PEW research center is non partisan and is considered one of the more scholarly and generally well respected sources out there, with favorable ratings from both conservatives and liberals. The link I posted is mostly polling, it's very light on opinions and conclusions. What, exactly, do you take issue with? You're going to request academic sources and then reject one of the most reputable polling organizations out there? K.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/pew-research

Ok I see I might have to break this down a bit easier for you...
1. A credible source of information (especially in today's society) would typically include academic books, academic journals, academic papers, etc... something that is "polling" is typically simply a popular opinion (that doesn't make it factual).
2. If you weren't upset and/or offended then you wouldn't be so adamant on trying to defend yourself and wouldn't be accusatory or indirectly calling others names, like "snobby".
3. Where "in fact" did I say anything about taking you specifically at your word. Using the term YOU can, grammatically, be used as a term indicating the general population, which is what I was doing. Someone who is stating they were in academy should probably know that.

I underlined it. Go back and read your very first reply.

I did not state that I was "in academy." I said that this CAN be an academic discussion.

Page 3, 6th reply, you said and I quote

One reason I'm glad I left academia is the snobbiness.

Implying that you were, in fact, at one point "In academia". Gee, I love it when someone gets bit in the ass by their own assertations.

[Pjmm]

I don't do a lot on social media and my friends don't either. They'll comment in my hobby groups and we'll discuss things. I've noticed they like pictures about my family or kids. They enjoy seeing that, I think. Now my son never comments although he cares. He's just not into Facebook or what I post on TikTok and my younger son is even worse. I don't feel it's personal so much as they don't see it or they don't feel they have to comment. And that's fine. It's just social media.

[Pjmm]

I think she has too much time on her hands..this is what people think about? I just can't give things like who likes my posts/comments on social media a thought. I mean, who cares?

My personal profiles on social media are super private. I don't add people I don't know, no work friends, etc. However, I do have pages for my businesses which are active and I rely on for marketing purposes. Anyone who runs a small business and uses social media for marketing will tell you that complete strangers are more likely to help support your ventures via social media engagement than the people who are closest to you. I don't know what the reason for that is but I think it's sad.

There are authors I follow on TikTok but I'd support them by buying their books. Same with a business. I'm going to buy their product or use their services. I do comment a lot on TikTok creators who are there to inform. But I'm not sure how I help a business by social media engagement. So unless they are there to inform me typically I don't engage. It's nothing personal, I'd just don't comment on their pages. Besides, the only person I know who does own a business is my boss and honestly, he hates social media.

[Pjmm]

If your tiktok algorithm isn't showing you academic and educational accounts, you know how an algorithm works.

I wouldn't debase myself by using tiktok....especially not for anything educational or academic. If you can't use it as a source in a research paper, it is not academic or scientific.

TikTok can be educational. I follow a bible scholar who does reference books and papers one can do further research with. Sure you got to take some of it with a grain of salt. Nor would I reference what say Joe Blow says. But if Joe Blow is a PhD in say the study of Tarot cards and wrote a book you can reference that. Some creators do promote their studies and books in just this way.

[Baconqueen13]

If your tiktok algorithm isn't showing you academic and educational accounts, you know how an algorithm works.

I wouldn't debase myself by using tiktok....especially not for anything educational or academic. If you can't use it as a source in a research paper, it is not academic or scientific.

TikTok can be educational. I follow a bible scholar who does reference books and papers one can do further research with. Sure you got to take some of it with a grain of salt. Nor would I reference what say Joe Blow says. But if Joe Blow is a PhD in say the study of Tarot cards and wrote a book you can reference that. Some creators do promote their studies and books in just this way.

Very few imo. But that's just it they are promoting their studies with LINKS to their actual research usually in the comments or tags....if links are missing well, then it's just tiktok trash going viral. Academic tiktoks rarely go viral