The reason I said it was only a tiny bit fraudulent, is because it isn’t actually lying… it’s just bullshit lol.WellPreserved wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:16 amFrom the article posted:SlimShady wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:44 amI was fine with affirmative action ending Because I don’t think we should be saying “ You get help, but you don’t” based on skin color…WellPreserved wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:00 am
Okay, let's take race out of the argument.
It seems to me that you (like many) were against Affirmative Action because you felt that college admissions should be merit based (or legacy based) and colorblind. And yet you are arguing here that college admissions shouldn't be merit based because any homeschooler can fraudulently fill out a transcript or purchase a diploma?
I know that you've been specifically talking about Community College but as the link in the article OP posted demonstrated, this "purchasing" of transcripts and diplomas has been used to get students into 4-year colleges and even some Ivy's.
IMO, while it may be a loop-hole for homeschoolers and private non-accredited schools, mis-representing knowledge or achievement doesn't benefit anyone from any community. In the case of my son, if I were to submit a self-generated inaccurate transcript, it might get him in the door but it would be setting him up for failure because academically, he is not capable of passing core classes required for a 2-year degree.
Submitting a fraudulent application to college is no different from submitting a fraudulent application for a job, credit card, visa, license, gun permit or any other application process. The majority of homeschoolers are doing everything right in educating their children (even the unschoolers, lol). I looked at over 100 scholarship applications last year as part of my job and it was IMPRESSIVE. I have no doubt that these applications and transcripts were accurate and in most cases confirmed by testing scores. Do you think it would be fair if someone received a scholarship based on a transcript that had been manufactured in 20 minutes or is that just part of gaming the system?
The article posted was specifically about Springfield Prep, where most of the enrolled students go to class everyday, learn, and graduate. Do you think it's okay for someone to be able to purchase the same diploma for a few hundred dollars?
As I've written earlier, I'm frustrated that there isn't a pathway to success for a student, like my son, who is academically unable to pass or graduate from high school or get his GED. There are a lot of young adults who are like my son so I think developing that kind of pathway is important - my state is doing it small scale in the trades and healthcare. That doesn't mean that I want to by-pass the "path" and scoot in the back door as I just don't see how that benefits anyone. Encouraging fraud is a little weird to me.
I was and am still in full support of giving anyone who has had to deal with disadvantages in their life getting extra help, but I am not willing to say a person’s skin color is a disadvantage.
I said I thought legacy admitting was ok , and went on to say it’s fine everywhere it’s including Historically Black Colleges and you all started the “No, it’s fine for this race but not fine for people of other races” and I said I was not going to divide the races there either when it comes to what is ok and what is not ok.
No one is getting into an ivy school anymore based on GPA alone. Everyone applying has a very high GPA… you have to have so many extracurriculars that they become more important than the grades… which the schools themselves will tell everyone who asks…They even specifically state that you don’t even need a high school diploma or GED to apply.
“By law, the LDOE does not have oversight over these schools,” said Louisiana Department of Education spokesperson Ted Beasley.
One of the most infamous is T.M. Landry in Breaux Bridge. A 2018 New York Times investigation found the school abused kids and made up transcripts to get students into Ivy League schools. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/us/t ... dents.html) It was still open as of last school year with 15 children, according to state records. Another unapproved school in Baton Rouge, Second Chance Academy, has come under scrutiny since its head teacher was arrested on charges of sexually abusing students."
Why would it be okay to fraudulently alter transcripts and applications to Community College but not okay for applications to 4-year colleges including Ivy's?
And I know, I know… upon first reading that may appear as though it doesn’t make sense… but it does.
Different states have different homeschool laws… most states have 0 influence on how parents have to teach their kids… If a homeschooling mom wants to say that her 10th grader watched peppa pig today so we’re going to count that as English class- the state has no ability to say “ No, that’s bullshit… that doesn’t count” they have to accept it.
If the kid spent his day skateboarding with their friends and the homeschooling parent wants to count that as physics class… so be it. They made a bagel today, so that counts as home economics.
In addition, in many states- no records have to be kept… so if a parent wants to say in 2023, yeah- my kid did all these classes over the last four years even though their day was spent doing nothing but lounging around watching peppa pig, skateboarding and making bagels, and I didn’t keep any records of this- the state has no ability to say that doesn’t count. Of course this is not true for all states, but it’s true for a lot of states.
So is it fraudulent? Not legally speaking, no… it’s fraudulent in the way of “how people feel about it”… as far as the state goes, it’s not fraud… it’s just bullshit lol.
