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Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 pm
by morgan
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:11 pm
morgan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:03 pm
Here's a poll:
Why do Liberals think the president of the untied states and any other republican doesn't deserve the American right to be innocent and PROVEN guilty, and not the other way around?
A. Because they're stupid.
B. Because they're really F***ing stupid
That's what the investigation and the trial would do.
Wow
you think?!?
And if he’s found innocent, do you think you’ll except that?
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:55 am
by Deleted User 203
Educate me...isn't this what an impeachment inquiry would be about?
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:25 am
by KnotaDinghy
If there is an allegation of a crime, it should be investigated fairly. If evidence is insufficient to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, the matter should be dismissed without prejudice - by all. If not, there should be criminal proceedings where a jury of unbiased peers weigh all evidence. If found guilty - punished accordingly. If found innocent - so be it.
No one is above the law.
No one should be treated differently.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty - regardless of 'your' opinion.
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:50 am
by TheReluctantHippie
Whether the evidence is sufficient to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt is supposed to be decided by the jury, not as a condition of trial...
KnotaDinghy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:25 am
If there is an allegation of a crime, it should be investigated fairly. If evidence is insufficient to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, the matter should be dismissed without prejudice - by all. If not, there should be criminal proceedings where a jury of unbiased peers weigh all evidence. If found guilty - punished accordingly. If found innocent - so be it.
No one is above the law.
No one should be treated differently.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty - regardless of 'your' opinion.
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:53 am
by TheReluctantHippie
Do you mean “accept”?
He can’t be found innocent, or guilty, because he can’t be charged and tried, that’s the point/problem, and the reason bob mueller got on tv to say that they are not confident he didn’t commit a crime but they can’t do anything about the crimes they think he committed except rely on congress to do their F***ing jobs.
morgan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 pm
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:11 pm
morgan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:03 pm
Here's a poll:
Why do Liberals think the president of the untied states and any other republican doesn't deserve the American right to be innocent and PROVEN guilty, and not the other way around?
A. Because they're stupid.
B. Because they're really F***ing stupid
That's what the investigation and the trial would do.
Wow
you think?!?
And if he’s found innocent, do you think you’ll except that?
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:55 am
by TheReluctantHippie
No.
An impeachment is trial to decide whether to remove an official from office. Totally different than a criminal trial, though a successful impeachment could, in theory, lead to criminal charges if criminal activity was the basis of the impeachment (it doesn’t have to be).
AZLizardLady wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:55 am
Educate me...isn't this what an impeachment inquiry would be about?
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:08 am
by KnotaDinghy
Prosecutors and Grand Juries make that decision before a trial even starts.
TheReluctantHippie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:50 am
Whether the evidence is sufficient to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt is supposed to be decided by the jury, not as a condition of trial...
KnotaDinghy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:25 am
If there is an allegation of a crime, it should be investigated fairly. If evidence is insufficient to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, the matter should be dismissed without prejudice - by all. If not, there should be criminal proceedings where a jury of unbiased peers weigh all evidence. If found guilty - punished accordingly. If found innocent - so be it.
No one is above the law.
No one should be treated differently.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty - regardless of 'your' opinion.
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:26 am
by TheReluctantHippie
They do not. Grand juries decide if there is enough evidence to indict. That is a much different threshold than beyond reasonable doubt, which is for the trial jury to decide.
KnotaDinghy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:08 am
Prosecutors and Grand Juries make that decision before a trial even starts.
TheReluctantHippie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:50 am
Whether the evidence is sufficient to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt is supposed to be decided by the jury, not as a condition of trial...
KnotaDinghy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:25 am
If there is an allegation of a crime, it should be investigated fairly. If evidence is insufficient to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, the matter should be dismissed without prejudice - by all. If not, there should be criminal proceedings where a jury of unbiased peers weigh all evidence. If found guilty - punished accordingly. If found innocent - so be it.
No one is above the law.
No one should be treated differently.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty - regardless of 'your' opinion.
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:43 am
by KnotaDinghy
TheReluctantHippie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:50 am
Whether the evidence is sufficient to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt is supposed to be decided by the jury, not as a condition of trial...
KnotaDinghy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:25 am
If there is an allegation of a crime, it should be investigated fairly. If evidence is insufficient to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, the matter should be dismissed without prejudice - by all. If not, there should be criminal proceedings where a jury of unbiased peers weigh all evidence. If found guilty - punished accordingly. If found innocent - so be it.
No one is above the law.
No one should be treated differently.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty - regardless of 'your' opinion.
Ok. You can continue on with you anti-Trump - convict - for -any -reason stance. Good luck with that.
Re: Poll: Nearly 70 percent of Americans say sitting president should be subject to criminal charges
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:44 am
by morgan
Yes except. My apologies I voice text often because I’m still breast-feeding.
TheReluctantHippie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:53 am
Do you mean “accept”?
He can’t be found innocent, or guilty, because he can’t be charged and tried, that’s the point/problem, and the reason bob mueller got on tv to say that they are not confident he didn’t commit a crime but they can’t do anything about the crimes they think he committed except rely on congress to do their F***ing jobs.
morgan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 pm
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:11 pm
That's what the investigation and the trial would do.
Wow
you think?!?
And if he’s found innocent, do you think you’ll except that?
you think?!?