Planet Fitness revokes a woman's membership after she takes photos in the women's locker room of a transgender shaving

[Slimshandy]

Nobody was naked and Planet Fitness has private changing rooms. Most gyms do, I think.

In this particular story no one was naked… Naked people are in locker rooms though.

12 year olds are in locker rooms…


We’ve now gotten so “inclusive” that if a 12 year old girl is sitting on the benches in a locker room and a naked grown man walks by with his dick at face height of that child, we tell the child to shut the f**k up and deal with it because the adults in your life are ok with that now…

I doubt any grown adult is walking around shoving their genitals in strangers faces. It wouldn’t be appropriate for a strange woman to walk by a child with their labia in their face either. I teach my kids to mind their own business, we go in, change in the changing rooms, and leave. No ogling at others, so what genitals a woman has is a nonissue.

I never suggested anyone was “shoving their genitals in someone’s face”

I said height wise… if a girl is sitting down on the bench and a naked man walks by, his dick is right about head height.



If you’re fine with that, so be it… I’m not.

[SallyMae]

Not comfort; rights.

Yes, it's always uncomfortable when a group which was being oppressed starts exercising their rights in public. When segregation was made illegal, people were so uncomfortable with the thought of different races swimming together that they actually closed the pools around the country rather than allow them to become integrated. It was considered too risky to allow the possibility that black men would see white women in their bathing suits, or get near them in the water. Thousands of public swimming pools around the country were drained and paved over. White people continued to swim in private pools, which could still be segregated; many black people never had the chance to learn to swim.



Of course that seems unbelievably silly and discriminatory now. I think eventually this issue will be regarded in a similar way.

No… this is sick. Let’s stop bringing up Black people to try and make a point about transgenders. They’re not something to be compared or even discussed as equivalent…

I disagree, many civil rights struggles have parallels.

It was disgusting, wrong and vicious that ANYONE EVER tried acting like black people were anything less than white people.

It’s legitimately a scientific fact that the male body and the female body differ.

It should not be a man’s right to be anywhere women hold as a women’s space.

Even at the talk for empowering women and non-binaries? I thought you wanted such things NOT to be decided by the genitals.

And if the main issue really is the discomfort of children at the sight of different human bodies, what about people with handicaps, missing limbs or disfiguring scars? That kind of thing could be pretty uncomfortable for a child to see too. Is it so likely to be so uncomfortable for children that those people should be prohibited from changing in a locker room too?

You see I don't think an inadvertent glimpse of a different human body is really the main issue. At least some of it is prejudice against trans people, and that is why it has historical parallels.

[Della]

Trans women should absolutely be respected and called whatever they want to be called as part of that respect.


But we’re calling them women because they want to be called women… not because we literally believe that they biologically changed into women.

DNA and genetics may not change, but if they have had the complete surgery, what then?

Then we won’t have to worry about penises in the womens locker room…

Highlight indicates you think otherwise.

[Slimshandy]

Not comfort; rights.

Yes, it's always uncomfortable when a group which was being oppressed starts exercising their rights in public. When segregation was made illegal, people were so uncomfortable with the thought of different races swimming together that they actually closed the pools around the country rather than allow them to become integrated. It was considered too risky to allow the possibility that black men would see white women in their bathing suits, or get near them in the water. Thousands of public swimming pools around the country were drained and paved over. White people continued to swim in private pools, which could still be segregated; many black people never had the chance to learn to swim.



Of course that seems unbelievably silly and discriminatory now. I think eventually this issue will be regarded in a similar way.

No… this is sick. Let’s stop bringing up Black people to try and make a point about transgenders. They’re not something to be compared or even discussed as equivalent…

I disagree, many civil rights struggles have parallels.

It was disgusting, wrong and vicious that ANYONE EVER tried acting like black people were anything less than white people.

It’s legitimately a scientific fact that the male body and the female body differ.

It should not be a man’s right to be anywhere women hold as a women’s space.

Even at the talk for empowering women and non-binaries? I thought you wanted such things NOT to be decided by the genitals.

And if the main issue really is the discomfort of children at the sight of different human bodies, what about people with handicaps, missing limbs or disfiguring scars? That kind of thing could be pretty uncomfortable for a child to see too. Is it so likely to be so uncomfortable for children that those people should be prohibited from changing in a locker room too?

You see I don't think an inadvertent glimpse of a different human body is really the main issue. At least some of it is prejudice against trans people, and that is why it has historical parallels.

Well, I’m absolutely not going to discuss Black rights as equivalent to transgender rights. I think that’s way beyond what’s relevant.

I’m also not going to discuss a man’s body as equivalent to someone who lost a leg…. I’m not going to teach my daughters that they HAVE to be ok with naked men around them. They should absolutely have to be ok with someone who lost a leg being around…

[PoplarGrove]

It’s extremely interesting whose discomfort we prioritize, isn’t it?

Women’s spaces can’t be for women anymore, women’s sports can’t be for women anymore, and women will always just be expected to “make space” for the wants of men no matter how uncomfortable that is or they are vilified….

It’s blatantly apparent who’s comfort we are prioritizing.

Not comfort; rights.

Yes, it's always uncomfortable when a group which was being oppressed starts exercising their rights in public. When segregation was made illegal, people were so uncomfortable with the thought of different races swimming together that they actually closed the pools around the country rather than allow them to become integrated. It was considered too risky to allow the possibility that black men would see white women in their bathing suits, or get near them in the water. Thousands of public swimming pools around the country were drained and paved over. White people continued to swim in private pools, which could still be segregated; many black people never had the chance to learn to swim.



Of course that seems unbelievably silly and discriminatory now. I think eventually this issue will be regarded in a similar way.

No… this is sick. Let’s stop bringing up Black people to try and make a point about transgenders. They’re not something to be compared or even discussed as equivalent…

It was disgusting, wrong and vicious that ANYONE EVER tried acting like black people were anything less than white people.

It’s legitimately a scientific fact that the male body and the female body differ.



It should not be a man’s right to be anywhere women hold as a women’s space.

So where should she change, pray tell?

In a perfect world we'd have changerooms where you never had to see what a person had in their pants but right now we don't.

Should she change in the men's changeroom where she's much more likely to be physically or sexually abused or in the women's changeroom where she's likely to be safer but a girl might see a penis. Probably not since moat transgender women aren't swinging it around like an elephant.

And I really hate to tell you but as a person who loves a transgender person and is very fond of a whole bunch of transgender individuals this changeroom argument is exactly the same as the segregationists arguments. It comes from a place of fear and hatred. Science used to tell us White and Black people were fundamentally different as well.

Oh, and transgender is an adjective. When you use it as a noun its rude and a little slur-ish.

[Slimshandy]

Not comfort; rights.

Yes, it's always uncomfortable when a group which was being oppressed starts exercising their rights in public. When segregation was made illegal, people were so uncomfortable with the thought of different races swimming together that they actually closed the pools around the country rather than allow them to become integrated. It was considered too risky to allow the possibility that black men would see white women in their bathing suits, or get near them in the water. Thousands of public swimming pools around the country were drained and paved over. White people continued to swim in private pools, which could still be segregated; many black people never had the chance to learn to swim.



Of course that seems unbelievably silly and discriminatory now. I think eventually this issue will be regarded in a similar way.

No… this is sick. Let’s stop bringing up Black people to try and make a point about transgenders. They’re not something to be compared or even discussed as equivalent…

It was disgusting, wrong and vicious that ANYONE EVER tried acting like black people were anything less than white people.

It’s legitimately a scientific fact that the male body and the female body differ.



It should not be a man’s right to be anywhere women hold as a women’s space.

So where should she change, pray tell?

In a perfect world we'd have changerooms where you never had to see what a person had in their pants but right now we don't.

Should she change in the men's changeroom where she's much more likely to be physically or sexually abused or in the women's changeroom where she's likely to be safer but a girl might see a penis. Probably not since moat transgender women aren't swinging it around like an elephant.

And I really hate to tell you but as a person who loves a transgender person and is very fond of a whole bunch of transgender individuals this changeroom argument is exactly the same as the segregationists arguments. It comes from a place of fear and hatred. Science used to tell us White and Black people were fundamentally different as well.

Oh, and transgender is an adjective. When you use it as a noun its rude and a little slur-ish.

Ok wait… SO NOW men are more likely to be sexually abusive… funny how that works, huh?

[cgd5112]

LOL! Well, you beat me to it. I was about to reply with a similar version of your reply

My replies are usually ignored. We’ll see how yours is received.

No… this is sick. Let’s stop bringing up Black people to try and make a point about transgenders. They’re not something to be compared or even discussed as equivalent…

It was disgusting, wrong and vicious that ANYONE EVER tried acting like black people were anything less than white people.

It’s legitimately a scientific fact that the male body and the female body differ.



It should not be a man’s right to be anywhere women hold as a women’s space.

So where should she change, pray tell?

In a perfect world we'd have changerooms where you never had to see what a person had in their pants but right now we don't.

Should she change in the men's changeroom where she's much more likely to be physically or sexually abused or in the women's changeroom where she's likely to be safer but a girl might see a penis. Probably not since moat transgender women aren't swinging it around like an elephant.

And I really hate to tell you but as a person who loves a transgender person and is very fond of a whole bunch of transgender individuals this changeroom argument is exactly the same as the segregationists arguments. It comes from a place of fear and hatred. Science used to tell us White and Black people were fundamentally different as well.

Oh, and transgender is an adjective. When you use it as a noun its rude and a little slur-ish.

Ok wait… SO NOW men are more likely to be sexually abusive… funny how that works, huh?

[SallyMae]

Well, I’m absolutely not going to discuss Black rights as equivalent to transgender rights. I think that’s way beyond what’s relevant.

I’m also not going to discuss a man’s body as equivalent to someone who lost a leg…. I’m not going to teach my daughters that they HAVE to be ok with naked men around them. They should absolutely have to be ok with someone who lost a leg being around…

I appreciate that we can discuss it at all, thanks.

A transgender person is no more danger to your daughters than any other person. The difference in their body is just another difference along a huge spectrum of human variation. (There are some women with more obvious genitalia than some men, who cares?) Singling out trans women, constantly equating them with cis men, and acting like they have some power to harm girls which no other sight could have makes no sense.

I think that in the near future there will be much more private and individual restrooms and changing areas which will not be segregated at all by gender, much like the Family restrooms at the mall today. People like more privacy and it's better use of the space to have facilities open to all. In other words, I think this issue is because of old-fashioned, binary institutional design. With new designs it will disappear, and people will marvel that we ever had trouble integrating open transgender people into society at all.

[WellPreserved]

It's discomfort versus discrimination (and always interesting as to WHOSE discomfort we prioritize). I think it's worse to be discriminatory. The more it's accepted as natural, the less discomfort there will be.

It’s extremely interesting whose discomfort we prioritize, isn’t it?

Women’s spaces can’t be for women anymore, women’s sports can’t be for women anymore, and women will always just be expected to “make space” for the wants of men no matter how uncomfortable that is or they are vilified….

It’s blatantly apparent who’s comfort we are prioritizing.

Not comfort; rights.

Yes, it's always uncomfortable when a group which was being oppressed starts exercising their rights in public. When segregation was made illegal, people were so uncomfortable with the thought of different races swimming together that they actually closed the pools rather than allow them to become integrated. It was considered too risky to allow the possibility that black men would see white women in their bathing suits, or get near them in the water. Thousands of public swimming pools around the country were drained and paved over. White people continued to swim in private pools, which could still be segregated; many black people never had the chance to learn to swim.



Of course that seems unbelievably silly and discriminatory now. I think eventually this issue will be regarded in a similar way.

The whole "coming for your daughters" narrative sounds very similar and that is purposeful.

[Slimshandy]

Well, I’m absolutely not going to discuss Black rights as equivalent to transgender rights. I think that’s way beyond what’s relevant.

I’m also not going to discuss a man’s body as equivalent to someone who lost a leg…. I’m not going to teach my daughters that they HAVE to be ok with naked men around them. They should absolutely have to be ok with someone who lost a leg being around…

I appreciate that we can discuss it at all, thanks.

A transgender person is no more danger to your daughters than any other person. The difference in their body is just another difference along a huge spectrum of human variation. (There are some women with more obvious genitalia than some men, who cares?) Singling out trans women, constantly equating them with cis men, and acting like they have some power to harm girls which no other sight could have makes no sense.

I think that in the near future there will be much more private and individual restrooms and changing areas which will not be segregated at all by gender, much like the Family restrooms at the mall today. People like more privacy and it's better use of the space to have facilities open to all. In other words, I think this issue is because of old-fashioned, binary institutional design. With new designs it will disappear, and people will marvel that we ever had trouble integrating open transgender people into society at all.

The issue is not that they are more of a danger.
The issue is that there are women who are wholly uncomfortable being around a stranger’s naked male body.

If dressing rooms are changed into single person areas, problem solved…