GWU anarchists call for beheadings of school administrators amid anti-Israel encampment

[WellPreserved]

Here is the video if anyone is interested:

I apologize in advance if my reply is all over and disjointed. Lines are blurred and lines have been crossed. These protests have become problematic for multiple reasons.

The left and right have been responding out of their normal playbook. It just is not working this time. The right is focused, as usual, not on peaceful protesters, but on the unlawful. Problem with this: they are ignoring their own among the ranks of unlawful. The left is focused, as usual, on the peaceful protesters, dismissing the unlawful or only pointing fingers at the “right” participants and paid participants. Problem with this: either they need to own it or condemn it. This can’t be ignored and dismissed as just paid protester, a few extremists, or right exploiters.

If you have white supremacists joining you, you should probably step back and re-evaluate the message you are sending. If you are calling for the execution of people, you need to step back and re-evaluate the message you are sending. If you are using hate speech, racial slurs, derogatory name calling, you need to step back and re-evaluate the message you are sending. If you have the option of peaceful, lawful protest and are choosing unlawful protest, you need to step back and re-evaluate the message you are sending.

By law, hate speech at an unlawful protest is a hate crime. Condoning it now, minimizing it now, endangers not only the people it’s directed towards but also others.

Should we be making distinctions? Absolutely, but we shouldn’t be dismissive, deflecting, and casual about these incidents.

Not a disjointed reply and I agree with you on these campus protests.

I think some of the issue comes from the fact that it was almost a requirement for people to pick sides and no room was given for nuance or deviation. Someone I follow on Twitter, Charlotte Clymer, wrote about this back in October. Kind of long but good read and she's a good writer which helps!



As far as the campus protests, yes. If you are protesting for peace then you damn well better be peaceful not only in your actions but in your verbiage or you've lost the plot. It's really hard to argue with peace protestors except when they are no longer peaceful.

There was a really good interview in Haaretz yesterday(?) with Mark Rudd (yes, that Mark Rudd) explaining what the campus protestors are getting wrong:

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-05 ... 426082174a

IMO, Universities handled this poorly but so have some of the protestors, the politicians, and media, both left and right.

That all being said, I believe in peaceful protest (even a little civil disobedience) and I worry that some of those rights to protest will be taken away. Violent protest is not okay and when one engages in it a risk is the reduction of rights of those who are protesting non-violently.

[Momto2boys973]

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

Who are “they”? Gregory Johnson, Shawn Eichman, Scott Tyler, David Blalock, Mark Haggerty, Jennifer Campbell, Carlos Garza, and Darius Strong are all natural born US citizens.

Your first paragraph, living in a border state. That’s exactly what I hear about people with Mexican flags or living in the barrio. It’s very racist and why some people made derogatory comments about you living in Mexico.

It’s disgusting. You hate America, there’s the door. They allegedly left hellholes to go to America to have a better life thanks to America’s rights and freedoms, equality and a rule of law. And now they want to turn it into those hellholes they came from?
It’s as if after the Holocaust Jews immigrating to America started trying to turn it into Nazi Germany.
And this is what I was saying. That obsession with rights without responsibility , without accountability will be America’s doom. It’s starting and growing quickly.

So many see it as free speech because it is free speech. The Supreme Court ruled in Texas v Johnson in ‘89, then again on US v Haggerty and US v Eichman in ‘90 burning the flag is protected under the First Amendment.

[Della]

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

Who are “they”? Gregory Johnson, Shawn Eichman, Scott Tyler, David Blalock, Mark Haggerty, Jennifer Campbell, Carlos Garza, and Darius Strong are all natural born US citizens.

Your first paragraph, living in a border state. That’s exactly what I hear about people with Mexican flags or living in the barrio. It’s very racist and why some people made derogatory comments about you living in Mexico.

It’s disgusting. You hate America, there’s the door. They allegedly left hellholes to go to America to have a better life thanks to America’s rights and freedoms, equality and a rule of law. And now they want to turn it into those hellholes they came from?
It’s as if after the Holocaust Jews immigrating to America started trying to turn it into Nazi Germany.
And this is what I was saying. That obsession with rights without responsibility , without accountability will be America’s doom. It’s starting and growing quickly.

She was pretty clear. I don't see her babbling.

We can say I hate America and shout that Israel is run by pigs while burning both flags.

Don't believe it, learn something about the country of your birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman

[Quorra2.0]

Talk about babbling…which is it? They are immigrants from hellholes trying to turn America into the hellholes they came from and should leave or they are privileged white kids? The first is exactly what people who are racist say about “undesirable” immigrants. America was founded through violent protest, we call it the Revolutionary war. I don’t condone violent protests. We have laws against them. That’s why people have been arrested.

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

Who are “they”? Gregory Johnson, Shawn Eichman, Scott Tyler, David Blalock, Mark Haggerty, Jennifer Campbell, Carlos Garza, and Darius Strong are all natural born US citizens.

Your first paragraph, living in a border state. That’s exactly what I hear about people with Mexican flags or living in the barrio. It’s very racist and why some people made derogatory comments about you living in Mexico.

It’s disgusting. You hate America, there’s the door. They allegedly left hellholes to go to America to have a better life thanks to America’s rights and freedoms, equality and a rule of law. And now they want to turn it into those hellholes they came from?
It’s as if after the Holocaust Jews immigrating to America started trying to turn it into Nazi Germany.
And this is what I was saying. That obsession with rights without responsibility , without accountability will be America’s doom. It’s starting and growing quickly.

[Quorra2.0]

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

Who are “they”? Gregory Johnson, Shawn Eichman, Scott Tyler, David Blalock, Mark Haggerty, Jennifer Campbell, Carlos Garza, and Darius Strong are all natural born US citizens.

Your first paragraph, living in a border state. That’s exactly what I hear about people with Mexican flags or living in the barrio. It’s very racist and why some people made derogatory comments about you living in Mexico.

She was pretty clear. I don't see her babbling.

We can say I hate America and shout that Israel is run by pigs while burning both flags.

Don't believe it, learn something about the country of your birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman

Have you ever seen Dread Scott’s piece that lead to US v Eichman? I haven’t in person but saw photos in the news years ago, I’d love to read all the comments in the book but have only seen a few printed. I had searched a bit ago because I was looking for a quote I vaguely remembered, didn’t find the quote but found his website with a few.
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https://www.dreadscott.net/portfolio_pa ... a-us-flag/

[Quorra2.0]

So many see it as free speech because it is free speech. The Supreme Court ruled in Texas v Johnson in ‘89, then again on US v Haggerty and US v Eichman in ‘90 burning the flag is protected under the First Amendment.

You know, I’m American but I didn’t grow up in the U.S. I always joke that there’s more mole sauce than BBQ in my veins . It’s uncanny that I’m more indignant and appalled at this than many Americans who actually grew up and live in the U.S. So many see burning the American flag as “free speech”! WTH? It seems the “rights” and “freedoms” of anarchist thugs are more important than the safety of law abiding American citizens and the protection of western and American values.

They could bring it up again. With the SC having a conservative majority, who knows how it would go.

They could, but the Supreme Court is an appellant court. Either someone would have to be arrested for desecrating the flag or a state/federal government would have to pass legislation and someone challenge it.

[Della]

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

She was pretty clear. I don't see her babbling.

We can say I hate America and shout that Israel is run by pigs while burning both flags.

Don't believe it, learn something about the country of your birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman

Have you ever seen Dread Scott’s piece that lead to US v Eichman? I haven’t in person but saw photos in the news years ago, I’d love to read all the comments in the book but have only seen a few printed. I had searched a bit ago because I was looking for a quote I vaguely remembered, didn’t find the quote but found his website with a few.
O
https://www.dreadscott.net/portfolio_pa ... a-us-flag/

I haven't, but after reading the few listed in the link, I would.

Side note: I remember when this was happening. I was a "patriot" back then

[DSamuels]

I heard Iran has offered suspended and expelled student protesters full scholarships to their university. I think those students should take them up on their offer. Maybe someone should start a Go fund me account to pay for their plane tickets.

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

Who are “they”? Gregory Johnson, Shawn Eichman, Scott Tyler, David Blalock, Mark Haggerty, Jennifer Campbell, Carlos Garza, and Darius Strong are all natural born US citizens.

Your first paragraph, living in a border state. That’s exactly what I hear about people with Mexican flags or living in the barrio. It’s very racist and why some people made derogatory comments about you living in Mexico.

It’s disgusting. You hate America, there’s the door. They allegedly left hellholes to go to America to have a better life thanks to America’s rights and freedoms, equality and a rule of law. And now they want to turn it into those hellholes they came from?
It’s as if after the Holocaust Jews immigrating to America started trying to turn it into Nazi Germany.
And this is what I was saying. That obsession with rights without responsibility , without accountability will be America’s doom. It’s starting and growing quickly.

[Momto2boys973]

I agree. These brainwashed zombies don’t even know what they’re fighting for… and against. I suggest first they should visit Israel, see the country they want destroyed. Then go to Iran and see what they’re fighting w America to become..,

I heard Iran has offered suspended and expelled student protesters full scholarships to their university. I think those students should take them up on their offer. Maybe someone should start a Go fund me account to pay for their plane tickets.

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

Who are “they”? Gregory Johnson, Shawn Eichman, Scott Tyler, David Blalock, Mark Haggerty, Jennifer Campbell, Carlos Garza, and Darius Strong are all natural born US citizens.

Your first paragraph, living in a border state. That’s exactly what I hear about people with Mexican flags or living in the barrio. It’s very racist and why some people made derogatory comments about you living in Mexico.

[Della]

I heard Iran has offered suspended and expelled student protesters full scholarships to their university. I think those students should take them up on their offer. Maybe someone should start a Go fund me account to pay for their plane tickets.

What are you babbling about? Do you not see the difference between having a flag and burning a flag? Telling someone to leave America over having a flag that reflects their origin will indeed be racist. Telling people who are BURNING American flags and chanting “death to America” is a completely different ball game. Especially since these little pricks aren’t Palestinians and they probably learned that Gaza exists 7 months ago and can’t even find it on a map. They’re not about any pride in their origins and ancestry while still living in America. They’re about hating Israel and America.
So guess what? If they hate it so much, leave. And there’s nothing racist about telling a bunch of privileged white kids to go and live in that society they’re standing for. See how they like it before fighting to bring it to America.

Who are “they”? Gregory Johnson, Shawn Eichman, Scott Tyler, David Blalock, Mark Haggerty, Jennifer Campbell, Carlos Garza, and Darius Strong are all natural born US citizens.

Your first paragraph, living in a border state. That’s exactly what I hear about people with Mexican flags or living in the barrio. It’s very racist and why some people made derogatory comments about you living in Mexico.

Israel is too